Dev Crit

[Talan Va'lash]

"The Strength requirement from devastating critical was raised to 30."

Was thinking about this and realized that to get 30 natural str (since magic/items/subraces dont count for this) you'd have to take a pretty min/maxed half-orc (so you could start with 20 str) and you'd meet the required 30 str at level 40, and thus never be able to take the feat (or you'd be able to take it at level 40 if you get a feat at that level.)

Did I miss something in my analysis?

-TV

[Frendh]

You can use feats to raise your strength.
Guessing it's what they had in mind, to
sacrifice those nifty epic feats for
str to get a powerful dev crit.

[Filatus]

You can take the extra strength feats after level 20. At level 20 your strength can be 25. At level 21 it can get to 26, at level 24 it can get to 28, at level 27 it can get to 29, at level 28 it gets to 30 and finally at level 32 you could obtain the feat.

But if you have some Prc strength bonus you might be able to get it sooner.

It's still almost impossible to obtain this feat, but I dont like the feat anyway.

Edit: forgot level 21, and more.

[Frendh]

I've heard that most servers do not even have it,
so I don't think 30 is too much.

[IDii]

It was raised to 30 because it's kind of a powerful feat. If you want it, you really need to aim for it. If you know what I mean... only pretty much STR builds should have it.

If we don't take RDD str bonus into account, I guess the earliest you could get 30 str is level 28. That's by having 20str to start with, taking all your level up abilities in STR and using your normal epic feats on the Great Strenght feats. If you don't go for a half-orc, the level you can take it at is 32. Don't think it's so bad as it's a powerful feat. Most game worlds have just disabled it I think.

Hehe, but to answer the original question which was actually answered before. You missed the Great Strength I-X feats.

[Talan Va'lash]

good point, wasnt considering those "natural str" for some reason.  Also you have to take overwhelming crit in there sometime after your Str is 23 so, add another 3 levels.

But also epic fighters get epic bonus feats every two levels after 20, which I assume works like their even level bonus feats before epic, being in addition to the 1 every 3 they get.  So... yeah, I can see how that would be not so hard to get for a fighter.

-TV

[FlameStrike]

I wasn't too fond of Dev Crit, but raising the required base Strength to 30 surely balanced it a lot.

[Dorax Windsmith]

I wouldn't really use the term balance with this feat.  Given that Ozy is lvl 29 and has been playing since creation of this game world, I think it is safe to say that no one has this feat.  I understand that it is possible to get there, but like the discussions above elude to, it will be a fighter in the mid to high 30's.  Don't think we will be seeing anyone with this feat for....a long time.  I have hopes that Dorax will get there someday.

[Frendh]

It's not as good as it has been. During the period
when you auto failed on 1 was when it was its best.
Was sweet against those bosses with a gidzillion
HPs, crazy saves but no death immunity.

[FlameStrike]

Dev Crit actually bypassed Immunity to Death Magic, if that's what you mean. So yeah, unless that boss is immune to Critical Hits, Dev Critting it will kill it.


 Edit: typo

[miltonyorkcastle]

I used to play on a powerserver and they had to make nearly everyboss immune to Dev and finally nixed it all together because I ran around with a fighter/ wizard/weapon master dev-critting everything.

[Aryn Ravenlocke]

Well, given that reaching a natural 30 STR AND having the feats to take Dev Crit takes careful planning and a bild designed around the concept, there is little reason to worry over it. Some of the super uber-bosses are going to be immune to crits just by virtue of being uber-bosses. Others have decent Fort saves that at least give them a chance of (albiet a small one) of ignoring the Dev Crit strike. Dev. Cit. CAN be unbalancing, especially in PvP/CvC servers. But a small tweak like setting the STR prereq. to 30 makes all the difference in the world.