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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: // Information Request
« on: October 26, 2011, 04:31:01 pm »
I'll try to clarify, let me know if it isn't helping :)

Quote from: Gulnyr
Which ranks are the minimum for legally assuming the mantle of judge, jury, and executioner, please.  

You linked to a quote in an discussion which is still valid. I said at the time that nobody should be judge and jury (and executioner). When I said this I did not have one character in mind, PC or NPC. I really meant nobody at all.
It's a matter of principle really, no single person should hold all that power.

So, breaking down the question into parts.

What is the minimum rank to be a judge?

It's important to realize there two kinds of judges. First there are the Judges of the Divine Court. These are of High Justiciar rank as shown here. And there are only 9.

Then there are also judges appointed by the rulers of each realm who work at various courthouses throughout the land (e.g. the one in Hlint). The vast majority of these judges will follow Rofirein, but they are not necessarily part of the clergy (or Knights or Guardians). Chances are they do hold rank though and were trained by the Church. Most will be of Magistrar rank as those have studies law for years (again as mentioned here.)
Key thing for these judges it that their authority as judge is granted to them by the ruler of the realm whose laws they are using/following.

An example of a judge like this is LORE: Judge Kirus in Hlint (the only one we ever truly wrote up so far). Kirus is a Rofireinite, appointed as judge for Hlint by the crown of Trelania, but is not one of the nine High Justiciars.

What is the minimum rank to be a jury?

Generally speaking, in legal systems that use juries, a jury is supposed to render an impartial verdict on the case in question. They are the ones who decide on guilty/not-guilty.
These people would be laypeople and called for jury duty randomly. They would therefore not be Rofireinite clergy/knights/guardians. Although by the nature of randomness, a Rofireinite could be called for jury duty.
So that's another, more practical, reason why judge and jury cannot be the same person.

Now, if you read the Rofirein write up, you will actually not see the word "jury" anywhere at all. You will also not find it in LORE: Law of Layonara (milty mentioned this already correctly).
Reason for this is that we/I have not decided if the legal system should actually have juries. In the real world, there are countries that do have juries (e.g. the US and the UK) and many who do not. You can argue for and against judicial systems that use juries, and how effective juries be (google for Jury Effectiveness if you want to know more).
We/I left the existence of juries vague, although I did play with the idea to have it vary by realm. In the end, juries were left out altogether.

What is the minimum rank to be executioner?

Executioner immediately brings us to capital punishment.
Because if you are sentenced to imprisonment, a convicted criminal just gets thrown into jail.
Executioners are not necessarily part of the Rofirein Church, so rank does not apply. Executioners are given their "authority" by the realm they work in, which is needed because if they chop off somebody's head, they could be charged with murder if they weren't allowed to do so.
Of course, there can very well be executioners that are members of the church, but the key is being given the authority by the realm.


This then leads up to "Can PCs be judges?"

It was already touched upon, in principle, ICly, there should be no difference between PC and NPC so they should be able to.
But OOCly they are different, and we cannot ignore this. So therefore, the answer is no. PCs can not be judges. Players should not have that kind of power over other players.
Sure, some might be able to handle this responsibly, but then the decision which player does get to be a judge and which doesn't becomes subjective. So therefore, no PC judges.

So what to do if a Rofireinite sees a crime being committed? Can they pass judgement there and then?

No they can't. Everyone has a right to a fair trial, this is one of the principles of the Divine Court.
There should not be "drive-by-justice" ( term inspired by drive-by-shooting) where a Rofireinite comes along, sees a crime, sentences the person on the spot and chops of their head.

Hope to have clarified some things, if there are further questions/suggestions, let me know.

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Branderback Questions
« on: October 19, 2011, 11:20:29 am »
Agreed completely with Acacea!

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Law and Lawless
« on: October 15, 2011, 01:55:25 pm »
Quote from: miltonyorkcastle
There is no single link on bounty hunting in LORE, but I can confirm that any rules regarding bounty hunting would be different depending on which country you visited. Many countries would have no written code regarding bounty hunting.
Yep, and they could even have different conditions per bounty offer. E.g. "Wanted dead or alive" or "Wanted for questioning safe and sound" or "Wanted: whereabouts of XXX".

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General Discussion / Re: Wishes for...
« on: September 25, 2011, 08:16:18 am »
Thanks all :)

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Knight PrC Question
« on: September 23, 2011, 02:38:09 am »
Moved to Ask a Gamemaster, seems a better place :)

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Ask the Loremaster: Dorand
« on: September 11, 2011, 07:04:48 am »
Thanks for the reminder :)

I brought it up as a discussion point on the GM forums and discussed the pros and cons for granting this requests of rank, as well as the greater picture on whether or not we should allow this in principle.

The short of it is that Gilshem the character would be an Acolyte of the Hammer, so the lowest rank of the clergy.

The longer answer and reasoning is as follows.

The "new" Dorand lore has been around since first half of 2010, so quite a while. The old lore, while not having as clear of a hierarchy, mentioned that it spanned from Acolyte to High Hammer.

Since we always say that character development is the responsibility of the player, any increases for rank would then have to be through CDQs, which could then have happened since last year.

Another principle is that character level doesn't equate or translate into rank in a church or organization.

You could of course build a case like you did on how a character could potentially qualify for a higher rank. However, if we allow that, then we would have to go down a route of allowing this for anyone and the GM team having to review and determine for each request whether or not a higher rank would be reasonable. This would have some subjectiveness in it depending on the amount of "proof" a player would be able to provide.

So based on those two reasons, Gilshem the character would be an Acolyte. You are of course completely free to pursue CDQs to increase his rank, and since clergy progression in the church of Dorand is based a lot on crafting, he should be able to progress to Apprentice and Journeyman quite rapidly.

If you have any questions, just let us know.

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Ask the Loremaster: Dorand
« on: August 29, 2011, 04:19:44 pm »
As mentioned, it's a good question. There may be other people who might have this question so I'll give it some thought.

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Laws of layonara
« on: August 18, 2011, 02:40:29 am »
Quote from: Dorganath
I can say with some certainty that our writing team has not sat down and written out detailed lists of laws for every kingdom/realm on Layonara, and it is a fair bet they will not.
You're right, no bets!

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello Layonara again,
« on: August 17, 2011, 02:40:24 am »
Quote from: IceDragonDuvessa
I'm probably back for at least a while. I had a ton of fun just running around and trying to figure out where the heck I was last night
That still always happens to me, even after 8 (is it really 8??) years of being here.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello Layonara again,
« on: August 16, 2011, 02:42:31 am »
*waves*

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Krashinite Tribes
« on: August 14, 2011, 06:20:56 am »
Quote from: Dremora
Several questions if you guys would indulge please:

First is about mechs: Does the level 5 and 10 abilities of Barbarian Rage and Greater Rage on the Bear Warrior class grant a bonus use if you are a Barbarian Class or are they worthless to all except a Battle Rager (ive not read the class but presume their rage is different to a barb)?

Me and mechanics don't mix well, so I'll have to leave this to somebody else. I do not think we tweaked it from default NWN though, so whatever it does in "normal" NWN it'll do here.


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Second: With references to longboats, them being northeners who raid in tribes, have skalds, rely on the sea etc etc would you compare Krashinite tribes similar in nature to Norseman?
Accents, appearances, weapons, mentality (outside of tribal tradition) etc is what I wanna know.
Yep, they can be compared to that.


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Third: Why is the bear the only form you can turn into? I assume its not just the Bear Clan that possess this ability and all the others have as well? Or is there just no mechanic in place for the other tribes if they are capable of taking on their shall we say, 'totem form' or their tribe animal (I know totems arent mentioned in LORE, just using it here)?
It's because of the Bear Warrior PrC that was part of NWN. Since that PrC came out, we wrote that shape shifting ability into the text. Like Dezza says, we could make more PrCs with wolf or wolverine warriors and whatnot, but it wasn't (and isn't) really worth the effort.

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Dark Elves VS Drow
« on: August 14, 2011, 06:13:42 am »
While they would use crossbows if the situation warrants it, they strongly prefer bows, be it long or short. For close quarters, they wouldn't resort to crossbows much, they'd resort to magic, subterfuge and a covert strike.

Just like normal elves LORE: Elf: Weapons , their bows will be custom made for the user. A dark elf bow will also generally be very appealing to look at, but not at the cost of its purpose.
See LORE: Dark Elf in the "Personality" section.

Crossbows tend to be crude, unwieldy and cumbersome things, not fit for the children of the dark and their.... finesse :) Their opinion is that any idiot (like a dwarf) can use a crossbow, but it takes skill to use a bow.

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Fort wayfare info please -- ATTN EdTheKet
« on: August 13, 2011, 03:02:30 am »
It's being written! :)

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Layonara Server / Re: Announcement: Please Welcome...
« on: August 10, 2011, 05:02:57 pm »
Thanks!!

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General Discussion / Re: Pankoki - Certainly Not Forgotten
« on: July 28, 2011, 01:16:12 pm »
Happy belated birthday!

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Introduce Yourself -- Game Masters / Re: Lonnarin/Brewmaster Bob
« on: July 28, 2011, 05:58:19 am »
Were you on my quest when my kitchen actually was on fire, or did you just put that in there? :)

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Layonara Server / Re: Annoucement: Please Welcome...
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:16:50 pm »
Welcome!

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Layonara Server / Re: Disaster - lost all logs
« on: July 22, 2011, 08:11:13 am »
No rush, thanks for looking.

They can be emailed to edtheket at layonara.com

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Just for Fun / Re: The bind stones are your worst enemy!!!
« on: July 14, 2011, 07:13:23 am »
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cursed Bind points are there to make you die!!
Who says they are not?

;)

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Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Fort wayfare info please -- ATTN EdTheKet
« on: July 10, 2011, 09:19:59 am »
Consider it flagg-ED. I thought I had a write up of Fort Wayfare, but it appears I actually don't... Or it got lost, which, while possible, is very unrealistic as I have everything on two computers as well as in our Layo repository.

I've asked the writers if one of them has the write up, but it seems we have to actually write it.

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