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« on: November 17, 2011, 03:06:22 pm »
Hardragh presses his lips into a half-smirk, half-smile as he brushes past Gel.
"Do we look like we're in trouble, Gel? We got the ship safely docked, aye?"
At that he gathers the group and heads for the Leringard Arms. Soon enough messages are send out to contacts across several ports in Layonara.
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« on: November 16, 2011, 11:59:53 am »
Will try to be there.
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« on: November 07, 2011, 08:59:01 am »
Still here. 
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« on: November 04, 2011, 06:55:18 pm »
Happy Belated Birthday G-452.
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« on: October 26, 2011, 03:42:53 pm »
Congratulations! Something to consider to hang above her crib.  
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« on: October 25, 2011, 01:06:05 pm »
Happy Birthday! :_
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« on: October 24, 2011, 08:13:55 pm »
Disclaimer: This is my personal interpretation.
As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the Divine Law was put in place to prevent the chaotic influence of Pyrtechon and its goal to see the world go up in flames. It was not intended to lead to enlightenment per se, but thwart the danger of chaos.
A key difference between Toranites and Rofirinites is that Toranites are tasked with placing themselves directly in front of the innocent so to speak. Individually, they are expected to put themselves in service of the innocent.
For a Rofirinite, I imagine the Divine Law is the prime defense against chaos. It is a little less focused on the individual, because justice after all is blind. They are there first of all, to see that the Divine Law is put in effect to prevent society from falling into chaos. Hence, I guess why the deal with Sulterio was made. The situation, though hardly doing them any favors, is still better than the alternative.
In the old situation, when Rofi was still LG, they were basically trying to be both. Toranites as we know them and Rofirinites as they are now. There's a big difference in that Toranites are sworn to protect the innocent first, while Rofirinites have to prioritize the Divine Law, because of the greater threat of chaos to the whole of society.
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« on: October 22, 2011, 09:09:27 pm »
By Filatus:
It is this:
All exculpatory (favorable against the accused) evidence must be disclosed and if you don't then its unethical, unjust and untruthful and against Divine Law. To not tell a truth is the same thing as telling an untruth.
You are never 100% sure about anything, but you need to have a good faith basis for presenting any arguments. If you know evidence you subit to a court was planted on the defendant...that's not good faith. If you know an admission you got from a defendant was coerced out of duress...that's not good faith. If you make an argument to the court knowing the defense can not rebut because you failed to give them exculpatory evidence..that's not good faith.
There really is no room for evil when it comes to "Divine Law"...they are in opposites. And to give weight to your case, you give me two lobsided examples. My whole point is that we shouldn't be looking at the extremes in this. Doesn't a prosecutor need to establish a motive in front of the court? If a prosecutor ends up with say two possible motives for a crime, and they both seem equally plausible, is it against Rofiriein's dogma, to choose the one that probably carries a harsher penalty? Would a Rofirinite make his case based on the motive that carries a less harsh penalty with it, because its preferable over risking an unjust penalty? Or would he go for the other motive, thinking it a greater crime if the punishment was less than what would be just in Rofirein's eyes?
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« on: October 22, 2011, 08:54:53 pm »
To me, it's not about anyone expecting any actions set out and predicted. No one wants a handbook of exactly what their character is expected to do. "What does the LN character do?" was not asked to get a writeup, but for comparison to the examples of a LE... and to illustrate that LE Rofireinite behavior often falls into the harsh side of LN - not "evil" enough for evil. Personally, all of the specific arguments about what evil might be able to get away with only say to me, "This is a gray interpretation of LN, because LN is not black and white, and sometimes justice is harsh."
There are only 9 alignments, and an enormous array of concepts that fall within them, as you say. I agree. That's actually why I dislike the notion of LE Rofireinites - I feel like it must be so specific, so restrained, that it is no longer a viable alignment choice. It almost has to be laid out well in advance in order to not drift away from law or be too weak for evil, or at any point let emotion get in the way of justice. "If you need to have a complete written set of instructions of how you might be able to pull something off, it is no longer a good option for open creation."
Additionally, I don't think making arguments based on writeups and expectations and observing where they do and do not make sense or contradict should be lumped together as speaking out of passion, which to me implies irrationality. Sometimes things make sense, sometimes they don't. Trying desperately to shove them in because an old rule from a different game says they should be allowed is not more reasonable than attempting to point out things that may need to be corrected. For a long time Rofirein did not allow LE priests (as several here remember, I know), and it was opened up just as adding a couple extra letters on a page; it has been awkward ever since. It just hasn't really gotten any better. So really, the question is, can an evil character who worships Rofirein and through him the Divine Law, still be evil? I agree with you that we're getting into the problem of the D&D alignment system, because it is based on actions and not the nature of an individual. On Layonara, it oftentimes seems you can't be evil if your PC is unwilling to commit heinous crimes. I don't buy that though, there should be room for a "restrained evil". The kind of evil that makes a very conscious choice on embracing society's standards. Stargazer has been playing one I believe, so maybe it's a good idea to ask for his two cents on this, as soon as he gets his PC in working order that is.
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« on: October 22, 2011, 08:24:53 pm »
After first thinking of the Cheshire Cat and Tom Cat..  Of course, lacking magnifying glasses, or sun for that matter, Hardragh never got the chance to burn ants in his youth.
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« on: October 22, 2011, 08:10:28 pm »
Where is the honor and justice in lying? What makes the thug in gold better than the thug in black from the commoner's perspective? Aren't the thugs in black more powerful than the thugs in gold in Vehl, anyway? What's lying? There's more than just the two extremes you use (the truth and untruth). Going with the context you yourself use, would a paragon of virtue and honor use evidence he's not 100% sure about? Would he use it, and let the court decide whether it is admissable or not? If the court would admit it, and the doubt would still be lingering, would it still have been a good act? There's no yes or no, black or white in this. In the other thread you just posted "A little help please", you complain yourself about their being no middleground. But at the same time you ask in this thread to define a lawful neutral Rofi in a few words and paint a black and white scenario to make your case. If you look at the world we ourselves live in, you'll find that notions of virtue, honor and order are not neatly defined concepts. They're actually very ill defined concepts that are often something you aspire to be, rather than simply are. You'll find honor has a completely different meaning if you ask a Voraxite, and then a Rofirinite. So too, do these shades of grey exist within the Rofirinite faith. because in the end, they are only words. Trust me, I have the same pains with the concept of chaos. The best my character can do is work out what it means for him based on his abbyssmal wisdom and strive to not fail miserably. I suppose for a lawful faith, there's much more transparancy in this, but I doubt it's anywhere close to being capable of correctly predict every single action in life, like you seem close to be expecting.
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« on: October 18, 2011, 03:55:36 pm »
Yeah, it was really one example of how to play out what is actually a complex situation with many angles.
I just figure that for a cleric there's a bit more to it then just living the life the cleric's god emphasizes.
I'm a big proponent of letting servants of rival deities travel together (within reason of course). What better way to try and proof your deity's dogma is better than those of the others?
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« on: October 18, 2011, 02:57:31 pm »
To clarify. By healing the paladin, the evil cleric might just as well have said Toran is right. The weak need to be protected and the cleric would be aiding the paladin in serving Toran's cause, while denying his own deity's dogma.
A true Branderbackian or whatever would save the healing for when he needed it himself, or actually dissapear the moment the battle seemed to turn on them. He would be a mile away when the Toranite would turn around, urging others to flee while he would hold the foes off.
The Branderbackian would come out no worse for wear, having held true to his deity's dogma, while the rival deity's follower is dead. If things work out well enough, he gets slip back with stealth and loot the remains of his party members, actually making a profit out of the whole ordeal.
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« on: October 18, 2011, 02:52:56 pm »
2. Would he heal his deities enemies if he knew it would serve to further his goals of wealth and greed?
What about Branderback's goals? Branderback is not blessing him with divine magic, just so this cleric can live the good life.
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« on: September 27, 2011, 05:37:30 pm »
Yeah, you can find it in the thread about Chat Logging. I don't think it differs from direct connect other than being faster since you skip the menu and everything. Maybe the answer is assigning a specific port for NWN, like with that fix for multiple people behind a router?
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« on: September 24, 2011, 05:44:51 pm »
Er is er een jarig, hoera hoera!
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« on: September 17, 2011, 07:12:45 am »
As rumours of the presence of a certain notorious half-orc start to spread, it does not take long for a message to reach him, suggesting he make a stop at the Leringard Arms Inn.
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« on: September 11, 2011, 05:17:43 am »
Happy brthday! 
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« on: September 06, 2011, 09:21:13 am »
Happy birthday!
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« on: September 02, 2011, 02:48:14 pm »
Congratulations!
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