Radical Believers

[septemVII]

Are radical believers, who deny the clergy's dogma for their own interpritation of the God's Desires able to wield divine magic?

Do the Gods make Dogma or do the Priests?

Are the Gods completely strict in their Dogma or is there room for alternate believes?

[LynnJuniper]

Can't answer that for certain as my character(s) are neither clerics nor overly religious, however I can say that there are some pretty crazy people out there who can take their Gods Dogma to mean something completley wacked and out there. Play along with it I guess, just expect to face a lot of controversy and people threatening to position for your excommunication if that's the road you wish to take..

[septemVII]

will do

but Morlan has already been down the excommunication road in his past


http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30010&posts=1&start=1


Read the section EARLY ADULTHOOD

[Weeblie]

If you are the god, would you grant your powers to someone who's completely twisting your wishes? I would say... no...

So the basic answer is: If you play a cleric/paladin you have to stick with your deity's dogma. At least, the general "feeling" still has to match.

You can't for example create a cleric of Aeridin that constantly walks around and kills everyone on sight, just because they -might- kill someone else in the future. But on the other hand, a cleric of Lucinda who hunts down wizards/sorcerers both day and night might be... erh... "more possible"... as he could classify all non-divine users as a threat to the weave... But it's still a frowned upon because of the promoting the weave part.

[septemVII]

okay good to know


Morlan isn't a cleric, he was but got excommunicated, he believes he still holds Deliar's favor


so does power come from Faith? Or does it come directly from the Gods?


as for running around killing people, I don't mean THAT radical, he does have some questionable views however.

check it out

http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30010&posts=1&start=1

[Weeblie]

The power is handed from the gods. You can have all faith in the world, but if the god doesn't like you, you ain't going to have any powers.

[septemVII]

okay thanks for the help

[ZeroVega]

Weeblie - 9/13/2006 9:19 AM You can't for example create a cleric of Aeridin that constantly walks around and kills everyone on sight, just because they -might- kill someone else in the future.

 Actually, I wrote a character bio that falls into something alone those lines. Not cleric though, Fighter... still. Interesting that you'd use Aeridin and that specific anagoly.

[Eorendil]

As the gods are quite active I'd have to say that what the individual god wishes is paramount. It is they who answer prayers and grant powers. If the church and/or its people steer too far away from that I'd assume their god would cut them off from their power at some point.
  As far as Dogma is concerned, some of that is bound to be mortal interpretation and influence.

[CHAzz]

a question though...was he excommunicated by a member of the church, or by Deliar?  If his excommunication was by, say a jealous archdeacon, an angry friar, or by his local congregation en masse (or whatever), then he might still have his divine hotline hooked up.  However, if Deliar decided from high to boot him from the church for some reason, then no he would not still have access to his priestly gifts.  It really comes down to how Deliar views you and your actions, not necessarily how the other mortal followers view you.

[septemVII]

CHAzz - 9/13/2006  12:11 PM

a question though...was he excommunicated by a member of the church, or by Deliar?  If his excommunication was by, say a jealous archdeacon, an angry friar, or by his local congregation en masse (or whatever), then he might still have his divine hotline hooked up.  However, if Deliar decided from high to boot him from the church for some reason, then no he would not still have access to his priestly gifts.  It really comes down to how Deliar views you and your actions, not necessarily how the other mortal followers view you.

Then I guess it's up to the DMs

[Leanthar]

I/we appreciate the enthusiasm.  Lets get you in to the world and let you play for a few months before we start working on things like this.

Thank you.

[EdTheKet]

If you change the dogma in a big way, the deity may not agree with your interpretation of it anymore and you will not be granted powers (as they come straight from the deity).
The Deities make the dogma, however, the churches can of course give their own interpretation of it if it's somewhat vague. As I just mentioned however, they can't do it too freely, else their power is gone.
So, there's room for alternate beliefs, try reading Katia