The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => Roleplaying => Topic started by: Pandapuff7 on October 04, 2010, 05:41:42 pm
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I have heard that this has been discussed before and I think its a good idea.
so i'm wondering what it would take to make a strictly low level store were lower levels can trade lower level items and items arn't usualy taken for credit at much larger trade guilds?
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Could you elaborate on this idea? It sounds actually like something that could be player driven and managed with out GM/Team support but I may be misunderstanding your meaning.
~row
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Well, I think it would be good to have a store for lower levels to purchase, sell, trade (probably more trade) to obtain items that are a little better then what you could find from your npcs.
I think mainly it would give Players something to do, because It can be boring being a low level because most of the items you can obtain most stores wont take credit for, and it can be hard to find a good party to work with your time were you can get a chance to get decent equipment, or that an area could be too dangerous. cant really help most of those things.
I just think a player driven store would give players something to do, get the lower players into something early in the game so they feel more involved in our community, get them into trading and also give new players a little bit of gold. sortof giving lower players a better flowing economy of there own.
Its still really just an idea which is why I brought it to this thread.
but if this actually is a good idea and something were we could work something around with it, ide like to help get something like this started.
and thanks for the responses! :D
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This is a good idea if players want to get together and start working on something like this. I am going to move the thread to a forum area more appropriate however, no offense! **smiles* It should be in an area where all players feel comfortable making a response (as opposed to an area set aside for GMs to specifically answer).
Looking forward to seeing the ideas here.
~row
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There is a few player run stores that either gives you credits or pay you cash for things you bring that they need.
What I'm wondering here is what type of low level store you are referring, for what type of gear? Most shop will do anything over copper to sell, sicne copper is dealt by npc shops. Bronze gear being made on order.
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There is a few player run stores that either gives you credits or pay you cash for things you bring that they need.
What I'm wondering here is what type of low level store you are referring, for what type of gear? Most shop will do anything over copper to sell, since copper is dealt by npc shops. Bronze gear being made on order.
The Items im refering to are the items that usualy are Pawned since they have no value in guild stores because they are low level and easily obtainable by higher levels, thats why I think a store made for lower level players (especially players new to the RP experance) can feel more involved and also get a small little bit of money.
Alot of players usually want items that low levels cant get. this just is an idea to put a little more purpose or value in every item then it just being something that you either hafto drop or pawn because nobody wants it.
I think something like this would also put a little more realism and enhance the RP experience *earlier* in the game on items we might not really care about unless we actually lived in a world like that. like a good bundle of pelts from an animal for some money so you stay warm or etc. would osund like a good deal to me.
By the way my grammar isn't the best, work with me ill try to make my responses as clear as possible.
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I think it's a good idea, Pandapuff, but I'm curious as to who will be buying the items deemed valueless by higher-level players?
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I think it's a good idea, Pandapuff, but I'm curious as to who will be buying the items deemed valueless by higher-level players?
Well as I mentioned before I will definitely participate in this and anyone else who wants to would be great. helping to run a store like this is definitely not going to be as costly as it would be as a ordinary store, and this is definitely going to benefit our community and increase our chances in getting more people to play because other people that start to play are instantly immersed and involved into the world *and* the community.
a more balanced way where everyone can have fun, even the slow to progress low levels who have limited time to play.
and I know I cannot perfectly run this thing entirely by myself, so anyone else who wants to help me get this idea up and running would be greatly appreciated. its a great way to help new players without having to help them all the time.
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I think it's a good idea, Pandapuff, but I'm curious as to who will be buying the items deemed valueless by higher-level players?
The lower level characters.
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The lower level characters.
Thank you!
I didn't realize I misread!
if enough people are interested I think it would be good to discuss how to get this started.
Pm me if you want to help.
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Most useful gear is stocked by the guild stores, I think. Angels offer copper and bronze items, as well as iron and better metals. They also have a stock of lesser tailored goods, rings, etc. What would be nice is an easier way for beginning crafters to have a chance to sell what they make and get materials. However, even if someone made chests available, they would soon fill up with things no one wanted to buy.
At one time, the Leringard Arms held a weekly event, with 'booths' available for vendors and entertainment for all. A similar thing was tried later at Stormcrest Crossing, but didn't last long.
When the Angels first started, Ferrit spent a lot of time bringing her ox, laden with merchandise, to various busy crossroads. She'd take off its pack and let customers look. Now, of course, we have quest chests which could be used. (//Caution--they disappear if the server resets.)
A regular time and place for gathering and some reason to gather besides just trade seems to work best. Several people regularly spent an immense amount of time making the Leringard gatherings work, though. I'm not sure who would be able to do such a thing now.
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Ok, I think what is confusing people a bit is the specifics... how low level? what low level items would be offered? What low level items would be accepted?
If you are talking about the standard crafted items to be offered, there are plenty of guilds as well as independent crafters that sell things... many of them take credit or trade in some way.
So, the real crux of the issue is exactly what items that are usually pawned are you talking about? If you mean things like rusted pitchforks and other random dropped items, it raises DS' question, who's going to want that? If you are talking about other gathered CNR, there's plenty of people who will trade things that low levels can get - silk, aloe, eggs, knuckles, etc. If you are talking about other crafted items there might be some market for that - most players who really take up crafting at low levels tend to craft what their characters' need, and are less likely to need to barter with other low level crafters - and, since people level up really quickly these days, there isn't a huge low level base for the idea to work with. That said, to answer your original question, if you'd like to get it started, I think just starting a thread with something like "barter board - //lvl x and under only please" And allow people to post "I have leather armors and want to trade for a bronze weapon" or whatever it might be is really all you'd need to get it started.
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Ok, I think what is confusing people a bit is the specifics... how low level? what low level items would be offered? What low level items would be accepted?
If you are talking about the standard crafted items to be offered, there are plenty of guilds as well as independent crafters that sell things... many of them take credit or trade in some way.
So, the real crux of the issue is exactly what items that are usually pawned are you talking about? If you mean things like rusted pitchforks and other random dropped items, it raises DS' question, who's going to want that? If you are talking about other gathered CNR, there's plenty of people who will trade things that low levels can get - silk, aloe, eggs, knuckles, etc. If you are talking about other crafted items there might be some market for that - most players who really take up crafting at low levels tend to craft what their characters' need, and are less likely to need to barter with other low level crafters - and, since people level up really quickly these days, there isn't a huge low level base for the idea to work with. That said, to answer your original question, if you'd like to get it started, I think just starting a thread with something like "barter board - //lvl x and under only please" And allow people to post "I have leather armors and want to trade for a bronze weapon" or whatever it might be is really all you'd need to get it started.
A main set of items that made me bring this up was CNRs that were generally not taken as credit, such as lesser animal pelts and other items such as lesser magical items that higher characters don't usually want to trade you for since they don't need them.
but say if no one buys the lesser magic items or crafting resources for new crafters we have, there will always be the possibility of more new players to come in and see things that they can work for when they are limited on what they can do in the world.
and crafters usually do just do there own thing, its just an opportunity for crafters to maybe start trading early. or maybe for rp reasons they don't or cant gather there own resources (like there cripples initaly or jsut other odd reasons).
I hope that cleared things up.
adding to what I said, I will build a more specific list of what items im talking about.
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As a new AND low level player, I'd like to give my two cents. :D
One of the first things I noticed when I started playing was that the NPC vendors sold armour and weapons that were virtually -useless- unless you were level 1-3. I started to understand why this was done once I realised how big player crafting was on this server. The problem I saw, was that once you reached the point where these items were truely just not good enough for your character... around level 5/6, you couldn't yet quite afford the better items that the crafting guilds offered, or you hadn't quite made enough friends, IG... due to RP/TimeZone/Whatever.
I haven't met many other new players, but from my perspective, I got stuck with copper and leathers for awhile.
Hrm, so... a low level store? What would I want to see there? What would I like to sell there?
I'll start with Hides... there's a ton of low level hides out there. Rats, Deer, Boar, etc... I stopped skinning creatures because all I would get is either *1 true* or *This store does not have enough gold to buy that*. If there was a player driven store for such items... maybe I could have found a low-level contract? Someone who would buy 10 deer hides at a reasonable, set, low level price per. Say, 5 True for example.
Player 1 makes 50 True, player 2 gets hides to cure... which in turn I'm sure he could sell to higher level players to make his True back.
The same can go for any, even all CNRs... although, as ycleption pointed out, most of these are valued by the higher levels.
How about Equipment? I've found quite a few Level 9+ items... but not alot of low level enchanted stuff. How much +1 enchanted stuff, with lower than Level 8 req is out there... I've got no idea. But if it was somehow more accessible to the lower levels, maybe I..err.. they wouldn't be so useless in battle against creatures that only suffer to magical damage.
Again, maybe this stuff is already out there at the guilds and I just haven't found it yet. But from a new players perspective... locating these places and who runs them isn't really "in your face".
Also, what to do with these items I find but can't use. Maybe they would be useful to someone... I could post a message, but a store would give a central location to conduct these low level transactions.
The way I see it, it would be a guild hall, like the other player run ones. There would be chests where people can drop things for exchange, and a sticky where people can make the initial contracts. It would need some sort of moderator, of course... to act as the "bank" if you will.
Example...
Player 1 has enchanted armour that he can't wear or pawn. So he goes to the Newbie Store. He drops the item off in the chest and makes a post that he has done so. The store comes up with the price and waits for a buyer.
Maybe... as a side thought, if a buyer never comes along.... the store itself, funded by donation, can support the low level player by giving them a -small- chunk of change, based on the total price... a player "pawn" shop.
However! Player 2 wants that shiney armour! They make a post about it... the Newbie Store collects from Player 2... and Player 1 is given authorization to come grab some True.
Kinda like a consignment store... maybe the price of the item keeps dropping week to week, until it reaches that "set low" upon which the low level player is payed out by the store and the item is mothballed.
Again, all this would require dedicated player moderation.
Just throwin idea's around now.
Ima go get fud. *big grin*
Thanks,
-Rübezahl
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The idea is nice and dainty, but it will take a bit of work to put in place. Instead of doing so, how about putting the items on to trade or sell in the Trade and Market Hall? Make use of the forum. Rather than selling it to the NPCs pawnshop, hang on to those items and sell them on the forum or trade them; specify what you're looking to trade them for and set up a meeting place IC. Furthermore, it will give you more opportunity to meet other characters within your level. Who knows, they might end up as your traveling companions. :)
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The idea is nice and dainty, but it will take a bit of work to put in place. Instead of doing so, how about putting the items on to trade or sell in the Trade and Market Hall? Make use of the forum. Rather than selling it to the NPCs pawnshop, hang on to those items and sell them on the forum or trade them; specify what you're looking to trade them for and set up a meeting place IC. Furthermore, it will give you more opportunity to meet other characters within your level. Who knows, they might end up as your traveling companions. :)
In the meantime I dont see how that woudlent be a bad Idea, and its alot less work to do somthing like that.
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Let me know if you think this could be useful for lower-level characters (and maybe others):
A simple barter store wouldn't need much managing and could be of benefit for low-level characters (and maybe higher level). This is what I'd like to transform the Saddlebag Pawn Shop into.
Take what you'd like, and pay for goods by leaving goods of maybe 1.5 x the value of what you took (so the store can grow). There'd be a rule that the store will only accept up to two of the same item (two bronze hand axes, for example), so the store does not fill up with multiple copies of items.
Then there'd be a chest for all the nick nacks and minor things found such as spell components. These have a value and can be traded in for store credit in the barter system. Mages will have good use for these items.
Common items would have a standard value (listed on the forums) and odds and ends could be valued with the pricing lens.
thanks for considering!
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I like the idea a lot. Although finding one piece of powedered silver might not seem that great, if you can trade for a stack, you are saving close to 100 true. Thats a big deal and a lot of undead to be put down! It would be nice if the items could be divided in a similar fashion as the merchants are (i.e. Frontline and Ranged weapons, Crafting, Magical Supplies, Tailored Goods etc...). It seems that unless this is to be run from someone's house, that it would require the Team to put in a new building or something, not sure how feasible that is at the moment.
My two cents! Keep on keeping on!
Gilshem
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Andrew, having no eschew feats, would be thrilled to find certain spell components in such a store and would trade for them - carbon, silver, incense...
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I like the idea a lot. Although finding one piece of powedered silver might not seem that great, if you can trade for a stack, you are saving close to 100 true. Thats a big deal and a lot of undead to be put down! It would be nice if the items could be divided in a similar fashion as the merchants are (i.e. Frontline and Ranged weapons, Crafting, Magical Supplies, Tailored Goods etc...). It seems that unless this is to be run from someone's house, that it would require the Team to put in a new building or something, not sure how feasible that is at the moment.
My two cents! Keep on keeping on!
Gilshem
Yes, it would need to be run from a large room with many chests. Saddlebag Pawn has that now in the Twin Dragon Inn in Leringard (137 Leringard). So if I get permission from the Twin Dragon owner we could do it there. Though maybe somewhere closer to Center would be more convenient for folks...
So many people gather the odd spell component and trash it or sell it for a gold or two, but at the barter shop they could trade it in for credit at full value for goods they could use. Same with bronze weaponry or low level magical goods folks pick up and sell to a pawn shop. Trade it in at the barter store for full value credit, and take your pick of a magical item you could actually use (or wait and stack up credit to choose later). Then the bronze weaponry can be picked up by a low level character for trade.
Perhaps a few crafters who need a steady and large supply of a certain resource could have an arrangement with the shop. One or two or three resources could be tradeable resources at the shop (probably not more, due to chest space issues). Then the crafters pick up the resources and donate goods to the chests.
Sound good? So....who has a space near Center where we can establish this? I've a bunch of Saddlebag Pawn items I could donate to launch the endeavor. And maybe there'd be two additional chests - one for donations for rent, and one for donations to Saddlebag Pawn for donated gear, or new purchases.
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one note of caution in using an inn, you'd need to drop chest/crate deeds so you'll have to work it out with the owner on how close to their limit they are. Tyrian I believe is pretty close (as is the Silver Buckle for that matter) so you would have to ask nicely for her to break down some of her deeds so you can put up more storage.
I'll come by and browse for spell components and cnr sometime soon.
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I'll come by and browse for spell components and cnr sometime soon.
Hi RollinsCat - We don't have spell components or cnr at the saddlebag pawn shop yet...until I get approval from Tyrian to set up the barter system, or find a place closer to Center for it.
thanks for your counsel on placeable chests!
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I'm glad there is still a bit of feedback on my old idea.
Once I get back in the game ill be glad to volunteer if there is still enough people who want to do this.
-Virgil
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Pandapuff, it's currently in Haven. Come on by. :)