Author Topic: Clerics, Paladins, Druids, Champions, or Monks (Read 2160 times)

Leanthar · « **on:** January 12, 2005, 01:41:00 pm »

Hello everybody,
I want to ask ALL players that are playing Clerics, Paladins, Druids, Champions, or Monks (with a deity) to read up on the descriptions of your deity, including dogma's, outfits, etc.
The team is now starting to watch these classes/PrC's closely.
We have a significant amount of players that do not know how to play these classes or are not following their deities dogma/rules etc. This will be corrected as we watch and try to help people along. But we need your help/cooperation when we speak to you about things, we are only trying to help--please don't argue with us, just listen and learn and try to adjust and RP better. Those classes/PrC's are very important to the Patheon of the world and will be watched closely so that RP is enforced on them pretty strictly.
If you do not understand the dogma or need to get things clarified please ask somebody on the team, that is what we are here for after all. EdTheKet is a GREAT source of info so he would be a good place to start.

EdTheKet · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2005, 02:24:00 pm »

Feel free to send me a PM or start a post on something.

Ozy_Llewellyn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2005, 02:40:00 pm »

And I'd be happy to provide some advice, thou Ed is definatly the grandmaster at the by the handbook.

Cattery · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2005, 03:11:00 pm »

A quick question on Paladins. Would a paladin of Aeridin, being a holy warrior, eschew the sword and armour and utilise what is said for the clerics, or are they a special case? My paladin uses a sword, yes, and as an elf she uses a bow as well - is this wrong?

I like the way her armour looks. *snivels pathetically*

Zhofe · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2005, 03:25:00 pm »

Well, I have been thinking of dual classing Quin to a cleric at level 12. First off, would this even be possible? I was thinking of running a CDQ soon and then level as a fighter, trying to learn the ways of Toran till level 12, and then dual classing to a cleric.

I was planning on taking the domains of Protection and War, and being a sort of leader type character (much like what Quin already is, but now with divine spells) And keeping on leveling as a cleric until 20 where I would take 1 for 1 until .... well ... actually, considering my leveling speed, I will probably never make 20.

I was wondering if this made sense as a follower of Toran. Quin has always been dedicated to serving good and protecting the innocent, and has lead many people into battle before. Many people have told him that he should be a paladin, but I can't really see that in Quin. (well, atleast not as much)

What I want to know is -

A)Would it be possible for me to do this
B)What sort of RP would I have to go through while learning the ways of Toran
C) Are there any things I would not be able to do as a cleric that I was able to do as a fighter

Thunder Pants · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2005, 03:37:00 pm »

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Cattery - 1/12/2005 3:11 PM

A quick question on Paladins. Would a paladin of Aeridin, being a holy warrior, eschew the sword and armour and utilise what is said for the clerics, or are they a special case? My paladin uses a sword, yes, and as an elf she uses a bow as well - is this wrong?

I like the way her armour looks. *snivels pathetically*

well i look at it this way, as i also have a Paladin of Aeridin there really isn't anything wrong with using swords and bows or wearing armor, but, there is something wrong if said paladin goes out and slays everything that moves, remember killing is last resort, if you can walk past them do so

Cattery · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2005, 03:42:00 pm »

ThunderPants, that's pretty much the way I see things as well so I'm pleased to have some backup.

Nytefoll · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2005, 04:25:00 pm »

as much information as the Handbook provides it still lacks some minor details on some deity's. An example being favored colors of the church of Aragen. If there are no favored colors perhaps it shouls state it as such.

Leanthar · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:10:00 pm »

The favored colors are the colors of the shields and icons that represent the deities. All of them have colors and emblems.

Leanthar · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2005, 06:19:00 am »

Zhofe,
You can definetly request a CDQ in order to learn the ways of Toran. Yes, you can dual class to a cleric if the CDQ is successful. And yes as you outlined it you would be a 12 Fighter/8 Cleric at 20th. That would be fine and then you could go 1/1 as you level up from there. You would need to start learning the ways of Toran, speaking to the Paladins and Clerics out there, visit the temples, research books etc. Then run the CDQ and you should be fine. Once you are a cleric you are now representing Toran so you will be watch over by him—represent him purely and properly and all will be fine.
Cattery,
Paladins in history are known to be the cutting figures that represent their gods. From the Description of Aeridin: (Clergy Favored Weapon and Clothing: [/b]In general, clerics of Aeridin prefer to wear white robes. They’ll only don armor when absolutely necessary, and even then with great hesitation. However, if they do, they’ll wear full plate, either coated with a layer of silver or – more rarely – made from mithril. Their armor is usually embossed with golden leaves. In general, they wield quarterstaffs and shun the use of maiming weapons like axes or greatswords. A necklace with a golden leaf is often worn around the neck as a holy symbol.)
Clearly that states for Clerics. In the case of a Paladin of Aeridin you would probably use any single handled sword (long sword for instance) but you would stay away from the 2 handed swords and Axes in general (maiming thing). I don’t think you would use a bow though, although I would need to put more thought in to it, my initial thinking is you would not use a bow; where is the honor in fighting a foe from the distance is what a high and mighty Paladin (just about any Paladin of any faith) would think. You would wear the necklace and you would use a shield of Aeridin. And your armor would present Aeridin as well. And you would never attack first, ever. A Paladin (and champions as well) are the elite representation of their gods and they will do everything they can to properly portray their god (in any manner) and they will always speak of him at any given time.

Ar7 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 13, 2005, 06:33:00 am »

Besides to what Leanthar said, it is almost impossible to use a bow in full plate.

Cattery · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2005, 06:46:00 am »

Well, my character doesn't use full plate, but that's all quite useful, thank you. With the exception of the bow reasoning, this aligns with what I've been playing already. *phew* The bow thought has come from the thought that elves are naturally able to use the longsword and the bow, and would have been equally trained in both. They would use whatever they could to keep the enemy at bay (and thus away from any innocents travelling with them) or to take any enemy out that is attacking another that they are otherwise too far away to get to in time.

Aeridin is predominantly an elven god, and it made sense to me at the time for an elven paladin of Him to be trained in both. But I can change that - she mostly goes charging in with sword and shield anyway (is it any wonder she's my first character with a death token? hehe).

I'll have an Aeridin shield the moment I can get one. I've already had a DM look into it for me, but that's one of the really buggy ones.

Thank you for the feedback.

Leanthar · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2005, 06:54:00 am »

You are correct about the bow (as you are an elf), you would have been raised on it and know it very well. And perhaps in the face of great evil and desperate times you would pull it out (in order to save one of importance and a very difficult time--ie not very often would you use it).
A GM can give you a shield of Aeridin. A GM can give all of those shields... oh. Right I remember that bug (1 of 3 that is not in there so I hear). I think Orth found the problem the other day and now I need to figure out how to force the fix (it will be a hak pak download for certain).

Dorganath · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2005, 07:01:00 am »

Since we're all talking about this....some questions about druids

I'm assuming that whichever is more restrictive (class, race or diety) will be the limiting factor in deciding whether or not someone is following the proper ethos, yes?

For example, something new to 3rd Ed. (and NWN as well) is the technical ability of elven druids to wield a bow....in other words, the elf gets the weapon feat even though the class disallows it. Personally, I'm fairly hardcore, old-school when it comes to druids and their weapons (I'm an old scimitar/sling guy myself). I'm assuming this is discouraged or prohibited in the new watchfulness, correct?

Also, I'm assuming that if a druid followed someone like Aeridin, they're different from a cleric in that they're not necessarily a Druid OR Aeridin but a Druid following Aeridin. As such, there wouldn't really be a reason for a druid who followed Aeridin to run around armorless or in white garments as there would a cleric.

I guess in general, the question is: where clerics and paladins have to stricly abide by a particular ethos, code-of-conduct and appearance, the druid is still first and foremost a druid despite his/her diety, and as such, the druids general actions should reflect the chosen diety in the context of being a druid first, right?

Leanthar · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2005, 07:23:00 am »

"...I guess in general, the question is: where clerics and paladins have to stricly abide by a particular ethos, code-of-conduct and appearance, the druid is still first and foremost a druid despite his/her diety, and as such, the druids general actions should reflect the chosen diety in the context of being a druid first, right?..."
Yep, 100% correct. Druids are Druids first and foremost.

cappyra · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2005, 08:48:00 am »

Zhofe

Through my interaction with Quin... I think, and obviously according to your post others think, that your actions and demeanor are very in line with being a Paladin. I could much rather see Quin following the path of the Holy Paladin of Toran than a Cleric. Your Leadership, Extreme Devotion to Toran, Sense of Honor, Vigilence and your training and skill as a fighter seem more in line with the pursuit of Paladinhood.

I just find it difficult to see Quin as a cleric... but hey thats just my opinion...

The only "problem" that I could forsee is that as a Paladin of Toran, you must place his will above ALL. Above Wealth, above Self, above Love...

But it might make a great roleplay as Quin struggles between his Faith and his Heart... which will he choose... does he have to choose? Will he serve Toran and the Land... or serve his own desires...

Will the gods take note... Toran and Ilsare have no great love for one another. . .

Perhaps one could convert. . .

Tune in tomorrow for another episode of... "As Layonara Turns"

/Que cheesy soap opera music

Zhofe · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2005, 09:22:00 am »

Gah! Everyone wants Quin to be a paladin!

I see him as being more than that though. A paladin is a humble follower of the church, doing what he sees as right. I want Quin to rise above that and lead the people, instead of serving them. Just my thoughts.

As for Toran and Ilsare having no love for each other, that is on the Toran side only really. Ilsare is indifferent to Toran and if Quin's purpose for serving Toran happens to be love for a follower of Ilsare, I see no problem.

As for what Quin would choose between love or duty? Well, Quin is young, but a bit more wise than most. He would not settle for one or the other however. He would have both or die trying.

Aurhinius · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2005, 09:29:00 am »

It may not be a problem for him but remember that Toran is the one that grants any divine powers you may have and he does not grant those to just anyone. Especially someone that follows him under false pretences. Honesty is of course a virtue of a toranite paladin.

Zhofe · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2005, 10:11:00 am »

Quin's honesty has never been in question. I have thought alot about all of this. I do not take the idea of becoming a cleric lightly. I would take becoming a paladin even less lightly. I did not just flippantly decide this, and I have been slowly bringing Quin into the realization of it.

cappyra · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2005, 11:34:00 am »

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Zhofe - 1/13/2005 9:22 AM

Gah! Everyone wants Quin to be a paladin!

I see him as being more than that though. A paladin is a humble follower of the church, doing what he sees as right. I want Quin to rise above that and lead the people, instead of serving them. Just my thoughts.

More than a Paladin of Toran? The Paladin more than any other is the Epitome of Toran. A crusader that has been blessed by Toran and selected to walk forth as a living symbol of the diety. A Paladin serves the people BY LEADING them and providing a shining example for all to emulate. Humility is a virtue no doubt about it... but a Paladin does not do what HE sees is right (Chaotic Good) he does what Toran sees is right (Lawful Good).

In any case... the choice is of course yours to make. Just offering an opinion. If everyone wants you to be a Paladin... there is probably a good reason... heh... your mind may wander one way... but your RP seems to go another. . .

As far as the deites. . . perhaps a GM (Leanthar) could clarify

Under Toran, Ilsare is listed as Unfriendly

Under Ilsare, Toran is listed as Friendly

*final note concerning Love: While the Paladin is modeled after the Medieval Holy Knight... I do not think that Toran would have you be chaste in order to serve him. Things like Honor and Loyality go hand in hand with Love. Love between two people as long as it was pure would not in anyway weaken the chosen of Toran... but would give him/her strength.

However above ALL is the Will of Toran.

Heh... just my 2 cents...

Funny stuff from the guy who plays an Insane Homicidal Maniac eh? LOL