Knight PrC Question

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

I was wondering if the Knight PrC had any rules regarding it, as far as RP requirements.  I'm asking mostly about a need for an approval or a CDT.

[Dorganath]

The Knight PrC is CDQ territory. A character will not be approved for the PrC on the basis of a CDT alone.

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Does one have to get approval for a CDQ?

[Dorganath]

One has to get approval for all PrCs, whether it needs a CDQ or not.

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Right!  I knew that!

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Uh. . .  It's been a while since I've done that. . .  I apply in the Char Subs forum, correct?  ^_^;

[gilshem ironstone]

*As the voice from Spocks testing computer from Star Trek IV*

Correct.

[gilshem ironstone]

Further to this though, and I know you know this, we will not approve you for a CDQ to a PrC without any RP justification.  Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but the basic gist of the Knight class is that the character has taken an oath of service to a cause or organization.  So at the very least, the desire for that type of service can be introduced, or whatever else gets your creative juices flowing.  I am no expert on the class, this is just from my own question asking about it.

If you have more specific questions, I think the Ask a Gamesmaster forum is your one-stop shopping for all your lore needs!

[Shiokara]

This isn't my territory, but it should be kept in mind that Knight is under the "Complex" category of [LORE]PrestigeClassSubmissionRequirements[/LORE]. This means that the player needs:

an updated biography, a well tended development thread and either a WLDQ or multiple CDQs, depending on the character.

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

What?  Really?  

[gilshem ironstone]

It's true.

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Guess I need to start some work.

[EdTheKet]

Moved to Ask a Gamemaster, seems a better place

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Alright, I had incorrectly assumed Knight was some other sort of PrC, not on the level with Champions and such.  Why, I dunno.  Anyway, that said, I am curious what is looked for in a 'Updated Biography and maintained CDT.'  Since it requires time as a squire in service to a knight to become one (usually for a while), I know a CDQ may be a good start, but would I not need approval for the class to take the CDQ?  Or would the CDQ(s) just be steps, and when I was done I would apply to actually take the PrC?

[Acacea]

"Knight" is just kind a generic term for the role, in this case - it is not necessarily required for anything involving the word or concept of knighthood (like Knights of the Wyrm - sure-why-not but not-required), and not all realms/organizations would have the same flavor of the role, or its requirements. It states that people who take the PrC have taken oaths before (someone). Since, you may have noticed, there is a vast amount of someones in the world, there'd be pretty different sets of ways to get there, heh, especially across different kingdoms, who are certainly not all medieval Europe. The class is a barebones set of mechanics that fit a generic role. The who/whatever is where the all the fluff goes, such as story-requirement, promotion for service, whatever.

What kind of knight are you looking at? Why? For whom? The feel of it and the location would help determine what kind of work was needed to attain it. Ideally.


Edit - the gist of the post was to say assuming one is required to serve as a squire to one specific kind of "knight" seems faulty, because different places have different themes and such.

[Script Wrecked]

Since it requires time as a squire in service to a knight to become one (usually for a while)...

A knight is charged with some sort of duty.

If you were charged by the Lady of the Lake to protect the lake and the lady and her sword, and you proved yourself faithful, loyal, true and capable to the task, eventually, the Lady would invest in you the status of knight.

Likewise, if you were a warrior whom devoted themselves (likely for several years) to ensuring the safe passage of the pilgrims through the hostile lands to the place of pilgrimage, then the pilgrims could invest knighthood upon you.

So, before you are knighted, you are effectively a squire, but you are not necessarily a squire to a knight; you are a squire to the duty.

Note, the above two examples would restrict the activity of the character post knighthood, because they are both very location specific; you couldn't leave to lake or the pilgrim route without effectively abandoning your duty.

... I know a CDQ may be a good start, but would I not need approval for the class to take the CDQ?  Or would the CDQ(s) just be steps, and when I was done I would apply to actually take the PrC?

As with all PrCs, you apply for approval to take the CDQ(s). The outcome of the CDQ(s) determines whether you have approval to take the class.

To gain approval to take the CDQs requires the CDT entries and updated biography to document the character's "preparatory work" as a squire in the move towards knighthood.

I guess the complicating factor occurs if you want to get squired to someone/some organisation. That might require a CDQ as well, which also might require approval.

Note, that if you are squired to someone/organisation, its not their responsibility to ensure that you pass the PrC CDQ.