Crafting/CNR gathering with restricted items

[Faldred]

Gulnyr - 8/31/2006  12:58 PM

Stephen_Zuckerman - 8/27/2006  10:31 PM

all the others who can't mine, or, in some cases, even chip gems?

Is this an exaggeration or a mistake?  Gems can be chipped with the gem chisel, which is based on the dagger, which is a weapon every character class can use.

Collecting raw gemstone requires the gem mining pick, which is based on the light pick, not a dagger.  The gem chisel is used for cutting or grinding gems.

[Weeblie]

The gem chisel can also be used to mine gems.

[Faldred]

Weeblie - 9/1/2006  8:38 AM

The gem chisel can also be used to mine gems.

Really?  You learn something new every day...

[darkstorme]

You wouldn't believe how happy my rogue character was when I was told that.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

darkstorme - 9/3/2006  12:04 AM

You wouldn't believe how happy my rogue character was when I was told that.

Heheh, oh, I would. Then again, I was the one who told you, and you giggled like a schoolgirl with pure, unadulterated joy.

Or something like that.

Anyhow, I suppose the message is this: It's not reasonable to give everyone the ability to do anything, especially if they won't do it very well. Er... Or something.

I'm going to go get some sleep.

Buy your CNR from those who can get it!

[CHAzz]

if only because it helps build the community through roleplaying the transactions out, and the interdependance on others to help cover our weaknesses, while using our strengths to cover other's weaknesses

[Drizzlin]

Gulnyr - 8/31/2006  9:58 AM

Stephen_Zuckerman - 8/27/2006  10:31 PM

all the others who can't mine, or, in some cases, even chip gems?

Is this an exaggeration or a mistake?  Gems can be chipped with the gem chisel, which is based on the dagger, which is a weapon every character class can use.

Sacrid fist?

[Gulnyr]

One point to you.  Still, it's not that the Sacred Fist can't use a dagger, but that he won't use any equipable weapons or tools.  It's an oath (and a NWN limitation).  So minus one half point.

[Dorganath]

This comes back again to the point: If your oaths prevent you from using Item X, why should we create an item that allows one to bypass that? Once more, hire someone to harvest the CNR or chose another craft.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

Then again, the chisel isn't a weapon. It's a tool. It's technically a dagger, but that's a limitation of game mechanics. Even a pencil's a Punching Dagger, held correctly.

[Tygular]

I can see the point in not allowing some classes use of items that they shouldn't be allow to. I can see the unfairness of having to burn a feat to be able to craft items. Creating an item to allow these classes that do want to craft might unbalance the game. So why not make a CDQ item that will allow them to use a specific item to gather the CNR. For example, a wizard who wants to gather wood to craft scrolls could go on CDQ to learn how to hold a woodcutters axe. This way, the GMs are aware of someone wants to craft the item and decide if that character should/would be able to learn the item.

[Gulnyr]

This is a post regarding the rules for CDQs.  I don't speak with an official voice, but I think gathering CNR would be considered a minor thing, and not the kind of change to a character that would require DM help or intervention.

[Drizzlin]

Gulnyr - 9/17/2006  2:46 PM

One point to you.  Still, it's not that the Sacred Fist can't use a dagger, but that he won't use any equipable weapons or tools.  It's an oath (and a NWN limitation).  So minus one half point.

I actually do not play a sacred fist, nor do I know of any active ones. I just know the rules say they can never pick up a weapon again. I was assuming that the game mechanics prevetned it, not that it was just RP. Makes sense that it is just rp though.

[AeonBlues]

I think a cool idea would to have a crafting feat.

Crafting expertise:  Weapon proficiency: Heavy pick, +1 to all crafting rolls.

I would have much rather given my character above feat then a martial weapons proficiency.

Aeon

[Etinfall]

I always liked the idea of making certain feats for crafting. So you can actually build a craftsman.

[Eight-Bit]

Not to mention that any item that gives such a wide range of ability penalties can be abused to get more Xp off of items that would otherwise be too easy to craft. Like the people who batch-craft Essense of Speeds because they're easy to gather. On a related side note, any item with those two feat bonuses would have a substantial level requirement as well, I assume, just because giving a feat on an item has always made high-priced gear.

[gilshem ironstone]

In terms of wizards collecting CNR, I have seen them use magic-missle for mining.  Handy dandy.  Does anyone know if any other spells work in this way?

[crazedgoblin]

call lightning does, but its annoying for a brownie druid casting it on the goblin cheif and cutting off a load of ore with it lol

[Weeblie]

gilshem ironstone - 9/28/2006  1:21 PM

In terms of wizards collecting CNR, I have seen them use magic-missle for mining.  Handy dandy.  Does anyone know if any other spells work in this way?

Please note that it is against the server rules to do that. Tell the person not to or contact a DM.

Edit: Hm... I can't find it written anywhere... But that's at least how I understood it after having talked with DMs on IRC. Might be good if someone could confirm this.

[Dorganath]

gilshem ironstone - 9/28/2006  6:21 AM  In terms of wizards collecting CNR, I have seen them use magic-missle for mining.  Handy dandy.  Does anyone know if any other spells work in this way?

 This is indeed against server rules, and common sense should say that this is not to be permitted.
  However, this exploit should now be closed. If you see this happening again, you really should report the person doing it to a GM.