since this just came up at the trial

[Falonthas]

and at last nights trip to the ice caves

can we get a actual limit on where a rofi can claim rofi law and when they as well fall under the laws of the wild

when you get into a dispute leagues from civilization, and all the sudden the rofi in your group starts trying to arrest people

it makes no sense whatsoever

at trial if Khuren had mauled Johan outside the gate it was stated there would have been no trial by city " rofi law"

so does city"rofi law" jurisdiction end when they leave civilized gates and enter the wilds?

or is it the where a rofi is the law is thing

which if thats the case it shoudl work in reverse as well

[Varka]

Dude serious, if that was how to worked hehe wow I by me an armoured tank tomorrow, a Uzi, 2 kg of Chick nuggets and park by a bridge demanding payments every single day.  

In other terms said, what do you believe humans would say/Think if a chicken suddenly could prosecute you for steeling her eggs?

[Dorganath]

The Law doesn't just apply to cities and towns.  Look at the map...the continents are divided into kingdoms, and while laws vary from place to place, there are some "universal" laws that are observed everywhere (things like murder).  The barbarian islands probably have far less of an influence of law than most other places on Layonara, except around the populated/settled areas.  

So no, whether the crime happens in or out of town doesn't really factor into things.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

What about in the event of crimes/criminals that cross borders? Is that where the Word of the Dragon (y'know, the big gold one?) comes in?

[EdTheKet]

and at last nights trip to the ice caves

can we get a actual limit on where a rofi can claim rofi law and when they as well fall under the laws of the wild

They can claim that in whatever kingdom has acknowledged the Divine Court.
However, arresting somebody in let's say... Dragonsong Dominion for a crime committed in Trelania wouldn't work, unless one kingdom has put out a request to another for the extradition of said criminal.

And laws of the wild? There are none, I mean, is it survival of the fittest? Survival of the Strongest? Striving for Balance? There is no "Law of the Wild" like there is a Divine Court, laws are an "invention" if you like by civilizations in order to keep certain standards and arrange a certain sense of security and order.

when you get into a dispute leagues from civilization, and all the sudden the rofi in your group starts trying to arrest people

If you're on the soil of a realm where you committed a crime it doesn't matter if you're 60 miles from the nearest settlement. The question is, would it be wise to travel with a Rofireinite if you are a criminal?

at trial if Khuren had mauled Johan outside the gate it was stated there would have been no trial by city " rofi law"

There would have been.


On the other side, a Rofireinite cannot just go and say "Oh okay, this realm doesn't acknowledge the Divine Court, but I'll arrest you anyway because my laws are better than theirs" without consequence or without permission.

I can imagine that they could do this for some world threatening criminal, e.g.  travel to Milara's domain and arrest him for crimes against the world or something, but that's something extraordinary (and yes, I should probably write something about that maybe).

Hope this helps, but I do want to point out to everyone, if you break a law, there will be consequences.

[osxmallard]

Some of this is being taken out of context.  

The druidess that was at the trial stated that if the crime had happened in the wilds under natures law, she would not have been as cooperative and allow Khuren to be tried in the city.  However since the crime occurred inside the town, she respected the laws of the town and the consequences which came with muder and breaking the law.

[Falonthas]

it does alot
cause we were resting after combat and  a misclick" accidental discharge of the arrow" or so it was said was being played as a he shot me i will arrest him scenario

i knew they should have just fought it out in the crevasse, of course then our scout brought some guests to our campsite so that was out the door

[darkstorme]

To further osxmallard's point:

When the prosecutor suggested that were it in the woods or fields it might be different, he meant somewhere far from any city.  Stepping just outside the city gates does not make you immune to prosecution by the city's forces - you have to be outside of the radius of influence.. which extends quite a distance, particularly from large cities.

And, to a certain degree, Rofireinites DO carry the law with them.

[lonnarin]

Keep in mind too that player characters are by the very virtue of their profession, unsanctioned vigilantes outside the structural hierarchy of law... including Rofirienite priests to some extent.  Just because somebody follows a diety of law who is accepted as the paramount of Justice in Mistone doesn't make every rofirienite judge, jury and executioner... they need to EARN that rank even within their clergy.  So if bob the 4th level Rofirienite starts trying to arrest people without first having attained Justicar status within his own church, at the very least he deserves some chaos points and at most could face expulsion from his order.  

If he's trying to arrest a known criminal for whom there are wanted posters up and about however, that it a lawful right inherent to all hunters of the bounty.  Once the wanted posters are up, then its a given that any who read it are authorized to attempt to bring that criminal in if they can, essentially any who read the poster has a warrant.  "Cold arrests" where there is no warrant issued could be problematic however... it's not like a rofirienite cleric may at his own whim, kick down a nobleman's door and arrest him for suspicion of a crime without first working with the local legal authorities and establishing reasonable suspicion for some warrants and such.

In the end though, the law only extends as far as the sword can decapitate.  You don't see any armies storming Iriand Mountains and arresting Milara for his long list of war crimes do you?  In fact, the "lawful" heroes of the land are busy doing his errands and helping loot Rofirien's tombs to help Milara take down the Lawgiver.  So there is the extent of Rofirien's law.

Don't worry, if events play out as I think they will, we won't have to worry about Rofirien for much longer.