Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 5:17 AMWhat die you got or not doesn't matter for the purposes of determining Hit Dice... d4, d6, d8, d100; doesn't matter. The term "Hit Dice" is used in place of "Level" to prevent confusion between caster level and ECL (effective character level, synonymous with "hit dice").If you're a Wiz 10/Ftr 10 casting Bob's Spell of Charming Doom, which can control up to 10d6 creatures (to a maximum of twice the caster's Hit Dice), you could theoretically capture 20 1HD Goblins (as the character has twenty hit dice, or character levels).
Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 8:16 PM THAC0, my greatest foe, you taunt my math-related woe With negative and positive; I doubt my character will live These next three rounds. Sadness abounds, when into dust my rogue is ground. THAC0, my greatest foe, my AC never has been low, And my to hit is in the pit, this system makes me want to spit.
Drizzlin - 11/29/2006 8:14 PM QuoteStephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 5:17 AM What die you got or not doesn't matter for the purposes of determining Hit Dice... d4, d6, d8, d100; doesn't matter. The term "Hit Dice" is used in place of "Level" to prevent confusion between caster level and ECL (effective character level, synonymous with "hit dice"). If you're a Wiz 10/Ftr 10 casting Bob's Spell of Charming Doom, which can control up to 10d6 creatures (to a maximum of twice the caster's Hit Dice), you could theoretically capture 20 1HD Goblins (as the character has twenty hit dice, or character levels). But, remember your caster level is how many you can affect. In this case, you are considered only a level 10 Wiz.
Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 5:17 AM What die you got or not doesn't matter for the purposes of determining Hit Dice... d4, d6, d8, d100; doesn't matter. The term "Hit Dice" is used in place of "Level" to prevent confusion between caster level and ECL (effective character level, synonymous with "hit dice"). If you're a Wiz 10/Ftr 10 casting Bob's Spell of Charming Doom, which can control up to 10d6 creatures (to a maximum of twice the caster's Hit Dice), you could theoretically capture 20 1HD Goblins (as the character has twenty hit dice, or character levels).
laurabunny - 11/29/2006 8:18 PM QuoteStephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 8:16 PM THAC0, my greatest foe, you taunt my math-related woe With negative and positive; I doubt my character will live These next three rounds. Sadness abounds, when into dust my rogue is ground. THAC0, my greatest foe, my AC never has been low, And my to hit is in the pit, this system makes me want to spit. You're hired.
Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 5:21 PM QuoteDrizzlin - 11/29/2006 8:14 PM QuoteStephen_Zuckerman - 11/29/2006 5:17 AM What die you got or not doesn't matter for the purposes of determining Hit Dice... d4, d6, d8, d100; doesn't matter. The term "Hit Dice" is used in place of "Level" to prevent confusion between caster level and ECL (effective character level, synonymous with "hit dice"). If you're a Wiz 10/Ftr 10 casting Bob's Spell of Charming Doom, which can control up to 10d6 creatures (to a maximum of twice the caster's Hit Dice), you could theoretically capture 20 1HD Goblins (as the character has twenty hit dice, or character levels). But, remember your caster level is how many you can affect. In this case, you are considered only a level 10 Wiz. Wrong. Here is the given spell: Bob's Spell of Charming Doom School: Enchantment Level: 9 Blah Blah Blah: Wee! Saving Throw: Will Negates Spell Resistance: Yes Description: Controls 1d6 creatures per caster level, to a maximum of 10d6 creatures with a total of twice the caster's Hit Dice. This means that a 10th level Wizard, 10th level Fighter would be able to control between 10 and 60 creatures (10d6 of 'em), but the total Hit Dice of the creatures controlled is determined by the caster's HIT DICE, NOT CASTER LEVEL. In this case, the caster is Caster Level 10, Character Level 20, and as such as 20 Hit Dice for all purposes relating to Hit Dice. For clarity, I've chosen another spell. Mass Charm Caster Level(s): Wizard / Sorcerer 8 Innate Level: 8 School: Enchantment Descriptor(s): Mind-Affecting Component(s): Verbal Range: Short Area of Effect / Target: Large Duration: 1 Round / Level Additional Counter Spells: Save: Will Negates Spell Resistance: Yes In the eyes of all non-allied creatures within the area of affect, the personal reputation of the caster is improved by 50%. The caster can charm up to twice his HIT DICE in creatures. Hit Dice refers to TOTAL CHARACTER LEVEL, not just Caster Level. Therefore, a Wiz10/Ftr10 can charm up to 40 HD worth of creatures... That's twenty 2HD Orcs, four 10HD Ogres, or one 40HD Fisterion. *Chuckles.* Though Fisty probably has a few more Hit Dice than that.
Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/30/2006 1:11 AMI didn't mean to offend, Drizzlin. Instead of going on a long-winded "oh, I'm afraid that's not quite right, please allow me to clarify for the sake of everyone reading," I usually just say "wrong." It's one of my idiosyncrasies, not an intentional lashing-out.I'm very well aware that Caster Level is determined by the levels in a spellcasting class - that is, a Wiz 10/Ftr 10 will have Caster Level 10 for Wizard spells. However, the term Hit Dice is used in reference to a character's ECL, or Effective Character Level, which, in the case of a Wiz 10/Ftr 10, would be 20. References to a character's Hit Dice and Character Level (not Caster Level) are references to the same number."Hit Dice" never refers to "Caster Level" in multiclass characters. (Though with some very few PrCs the numbers will be the same.)If this is just a clerical error on LORE, which is possible, then that's that.
darkwulf365 - 11/30/2006 9:57 AM*Harkens back to the days before the wizards came to the coast, a lower AC was good, and the reverse mathematics required to resolve combat held sway over all*
Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/30/2006 4:11 AMHowever, the term Hit Dice is used in reference to a character's ECL, or Effective Character Level, which, in the case of a Wiz 10/Ftr 10, would be 20. References to a character's Hit Dice and Character Level (not Caster Level) are references to the same number.