MAJOR QUESTION!!!!

is there a gm/dem that can explain this to me!!?

i have the screen shots....
this is what happened:  
i went to the greypeak mountains.  was fighting ogres with summons and myself.
i cast two summons (totally useless nonsense at this level) and they were killed.
i stepped back, cast a fireball and then ran up the stairs.  got to the top and they were following.  i got through the transition, and cast invis SUCCESSFULLY.  
i went back through to cast another sumones to see if they could finish them off.
the ogres went RIGHT TO ME, KILLED ME and i lost 8000 XPs!!!!!!!!


what kind of deal is that??

1:  the ogres should NOT have been able to see me!!! it was a successful cast of invis
2:  why in the hell did i lose 8000 XPs??


would SOME dm/gm PLEASE explain this nonsense??
it's hard enough as a mage on this place to do ANYthing but cook food....

[Pankoki]

First of all you need to calm down and breath.
    After you are calm count to 10 and realize that this is a game.
    Now to answer your question, Bioware has major invisibility bugs and sometimes when a creature is fixed to you it follows you after casting Gsanc or Invisibility. It has happened tons of times before.
  The XP loss was probably because you had died before within the hour and the death system took over. To automatically assume it was a DM when none have logged in the game for over 6 hours is just plain silly.
  Take it easy man.

[Leanthar]

First and foremost, calm down.  If you come to the forums and vent and scream we are not very receptive.  If you send a PM or post calmly things will go a lot further. 
  I will speak to the team to see if anybody was on but I don't see any GM's on.
  Send me the screen shot, email address of dscott@sierratel.com or attach it to this thread if it is not too large.
  Also, sometimes invisibility does not work properly and things can see through it (bioware issue).
  As well, you do not lose xp on the first death so that means you had died more than once in the past few minutes (before that death that caused the xp loss).
  I am not happy with the way you posted that, nice to see you are putting the blame instantly on "nonsense".  Calm down.

[Dyness]

heh, yah... also be thankful it happened to you now. Later on when you can be far out travelling this may happen again, so keep your head up now.

Pankoki - 5/24/2005  12:56 PM    First of all you need to calm down and breath.
    After you are calm count to 10 and realize that this is a game.
    Now to answer your question, Bioware has major invisibility bugs and sometimes when a creature is fixed to you it follows you after casting Gsanc or Invisibility. It has happened tons of times before.
  The XP loss was probably because you had died before within the hour and the death system took over. To automatically assume it was a DM when none have logged in the game for over 6 hours is just plain silly.
  Take it easy man.

 1:  i am and was calm... 2:  i made NO assumption it was a dm/gm... nor did i even imply that!!  in fact, that never     entered my mind for an instant. 3:  i am well aware of the invis/sanct/gsanct bug....  i wasn't in the same area when i went     invis.... i went back through the transition AFTER i was invised... 4:  i was seeking clarification... i'm not upset.... do not mistake frustration and lack of     understanding for upset....  5:  i WAS a bit frustrated to lose 8K XPs (2 weeks work for me) for something that should not     have occurred.... my life has not significantly changed.... relax....  i went back in and moved on.... kobal kindly helped me work my way back and i lost another 2K XPs..... no big deal.... i know that a level 7 mage can easily be killed by a twig... or... just about everything....

Leanthar - 5/24/2005  12:59 PM    First and foremost, calm down.  If you come to the forums and vent and scream we are not very receptive.  If you send a PM or post calmly things will go a lot further.
  I will speak to the team to see if anybody was on but I don't see any GM's on.
  Send me the screen shot, email address of dscott@sierratel.com or attach it to this thread if it is not too large.
  Also, sometimes invisibility does not work properly and things can see through it (bioware issue).
  As well, you do not lose xp on the first death so that means you had died more than once in the past few minutes (before that death that caused the xp loss).
  I am not happy with the way you posted that, nice to see you are putting the blame instantly on "nonsense".  Calm down.

  i'm fine.... i was seeking clarification... i am not venting nor am i a whiner...  just a little frustrated at my ignorance i have moved on... no further action is needed if you want to see what happened, i will send the screenshots, but i am fine.... my life has not significantly changed.....  don't worry about me.....  i'm mostly harmless..... (which is quite evident!!!)

[ZeroVega]

  Few things I'll point out. If you get in with an adventuring group (just 2 or 3 people you meet anywhere) 8'000 experiance, is cake to get. Also be thankful that you died during this system. In the old system, every death will cause you to lose experiance. Now it's only if you die X number of times in X number of hours. (I know people who've lost 500'000 experiance).
    Next it doesn't sound like a bug that happened. If you cast G-Sanc or Invisibility it takes a few seconds to get through to the NPCs following you that they shouldn't, trust me as a wizard myself I know this. It wasn't smart of you to head back through the transition immediatly as you probably couldn't have handled them invisibly or not. You live you learn eh?
    And last you were NOT calm. At least not in your post (though I can't say that you the player were actually not calm while you were posting). The abunance of !!!!!!!!!!s and ??s. Also full caps sentences such as "the ogres went RIGHT TO ME, KILLED ME and i lost 8000 XPs!!!!!!!" Clearly shows that this had you rattled and you were not handling it well. Don't worry we all handle things badly from time to time, just remember it could have been worse, and there is an explanation for it all.

[Trip1888]

Yeah, I remember the old system.  Every time you died you lost (I think I remember this correctly) 10 percent of your xp and 30 percent of your gold (you had on you).  If you were able to make it back to your grave and pray you could get half of the xp you lost back (and no gold back).  Yes, be thankful...things were much harder back then...back in the day...

[orth]

Bad Night in February
| Player Id | Experience | Timestamp               |
|       4556 |    7290298 | 2005-02-18 21:07:03 |
|       4556 |    6561269 | 2005-02-18 21:12:03 |
|       4556 |    5906343 | 2005-02-18 21:37:49 |

Today
|       4556 |    7161523 | 2005-05-22 21:20:12 |

Okay I know I've mentioned this a couple times, but this was my bad night in February , and it's always good fodder for those feeling down on their xp hit.  

Just thought I'd throw in my xp right now too

[muaddib]

Thats alot of exp

[vgn]

I don't believe orth's point in posting his current xp was to show it was a lot.
I believe the point was so that people see under the old death system, Plen lost 1,383,955 xp on a single day.
That was in mid February.
It is now late May and while close, he still has not recovered the xp lost on that single day.
Long 3 months.....

So we all do the happy dance that we are not Plen.

[freemen2]

RAIN DANCE!!!

[Variable]

not the rain dance, the Happy Dance

*does the Happy Dance*

[Thunder Pants]

actually the point that you were in another area helps clerify that the invis bug hit you, the invis bug normaly hits anyone when they become invis in a place where creatures who are charging you can't see you when you disapear

okay...
i am soloing ogres in grey peeks because there is no one around.  i'm in the 2nd area.  i call my familiar, and a lvl 3 summons, and buff us all up.  i go in, and kill a few of them, and lose my familiar.  we are down to me and almost depleted summons. vrs 2 "nearly dead" and 1 "badly wounded" ogers.  with his dying breath, the summons kills the babdly wounded, leaving 2 "nearly dead" and then unsummons.  i summon a 2nd lvl 3  and we attack the nearly dead ogres, and they dissapear.  NOT killed... no XPs, and no drops.....

what happened?   this happens more than just this incident.... perhaps on the order of 5% of the time, always when i am soloing.... is this a punishment for soloing?  a bug?  a programmed event?  i realize that 46 XPs i NOT a lot, but it was a lot of work and cost for nothing.  i'm curious?

beuhler?  buehler?  anyone?

[Leanthar]

It sounds like the creatures followed you through a zone and were marked by the clean up script (not all creatures are handled this way--just encounter creatures--not camp type creatures).  In a certain amount of time we remove the creatures that are left over.  We do this for a number of reasons.  #1 we don't want creatures trained to other areas of the world, including towns when it can be helped.  #2 we want encounters to fire for players, if those creatures were still alive in another zone then the real encounter would never fire for the correct area.
  The GM's are not punishing anybody for anything, and most assuredly not for solo players.  Why are you so quick to assume that?
  Besides... most of the time (when a GM does limbo a creature) we are trying help people, not harm them.

[Talan Va'lash]

It probably happens most often when you're soloing because it takes longer for you to kill the stuff.

And if creatures didn't unspawn if not killed I imagine it would add a lot of lag since everytime someone walked through an area without fighting the creatures they'd spawn and wander untill someone else took care of them or the server reset.

[cptoad]

oh  goodness 8k is that all *chuckles* Graypeaks eh.. best have a few fighters there with ya, and a healer. i hear those giants eat lone mages.

but really it's a game,have fun and for goodness sakes take a party there.

G

Leanthar - 6/9/2005  6:13 AM    It sounds like the creatures followed you through a zone and were marked by the clean up script (not all creatures are handled this way--just encounter creatures--not camp type creatures).  In a certain amount of time we remove the creatures that are left over.  We do this for a number of reasons.  #1 we don't want creatures trained to other areas of the world, including towns when it can be helped.  #2 we want encounters to fire for players, if those creatures were still alive in another zone then the real encounter would never fire for the correct area.
  The GM's are not punishing anybody for anything, and most assuredly not for solo players.  Why are you so quick to assume that?
  Besides... most of the time (when a GM does limbo a creature) we are trying help people, not harm them.
 

 uhm.... i didn't say that any gm was punishing me or anyone!! heh... talk about assumptions... actually what i was trying to imply is that soloing is not particularly encouraged, and that it is a built in "punishment/penalty"  happening automatically (as in an programming function ~ not difficult to do) in such situations..  not some gm doing that.  another point is that i was in the middle of battle with it, in it's native area, where i first encountered it....  i don't see why they would fade out there and in that manner and time.  there was no extended time between encounters (such as a rest) other than the time it takes to summon a second creature.  still, i will accept the expanation...  note:  taking to heart what was suggested in my beginning post of this, i have tried to modify my "presentation" of questions, yet still you think i am attaking... or complaining... or what ever....  i am not, and i am not complaining or blaming.  i am trying to understand.  i have tried to be a reasonable player and contributing member of the forums.  it shouldn't be this hard to be understood.  if i didn't like it, i would not be here....  and if i didn't care or want to understand, i wouldn't have bother posting!

cptoad - 6/9/2005  12:17 PM

oh  goodness 8k is that all *chuckles* Graypeaks eh.. best have a few fighters there with ya, and a healer. i hear those giants eat lone mages.

but really it's a game,have fun and for goodness sakes take a party there.

G

i would love to....
i can't find a party available at the times i am on. (that is my problem, not anyone else's)
also, i fully realize that i can get a LOT of XPs quickly in a party, which could be nice.
however, once, a month ago, a large and powerful party came to help me get the oil there, and they did 99% of the work, and i did what little i could, and it turned out there was no oil to be had.

and in the vein...   i went to captain gerend in hlint, and got a quest to get the head of the blood clan lizard.  it's in my journal.  i now am carryng around a bloody head for this quest, and general gerend won't talk to me to clear the quest.  now i'm told that the quest has been changed to level 10 or 12....  i have had that quest for a long time and now that i have the head, it would seem that there is no provisions for "grandfathering" in for the people who already had the quest, and the head weighs .5 lbs, that i may have to carry around for 6-8 months (about what it will take for me to get from level 7 to level 10)....  other than throwing away the head, any suggestions?  what.. find a level 10 or 12 that and join up, turn in the head?  anyone who is a level 10/12 now, probably already finished the quest....