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Polak76

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2007, 02:07:56 am »
Quote from: miltonyorkcastle
I'm afraid I might be sailing away from the topic here, but conviction requires me to say that Layonara is not just a computer game. Layonara is a community. NWN is a computer game, sure, and most of us hang out here to have fun. However, it's not the video game, NWN, that keeps people around. And communities are RL things.

Layonara is a community designed for creative outlet. It is very similar to the theatre community I'm involved with at my university. In both cases, some people pursue inclusion in the community as a hobby- you might even say most people. For others, it's more than a hobby, either bordering on a second profession or actually becoming their livelihood.

My point is, we're not wasting time. It's not mundane unless you consider the creative pursuits of human beings to be mundane. And I'm not even going to start in on that argument.

I do think that a primary focus should be having fun. Fun, however, like most things in life isn't cheap, even if you aren't the one who's paying for it. Many other things should also be taken into account if you want to maintain a community, not just having fun.

I love the theatre, I love a good show and a great set, but I hate painting all the drops and building the platforms. The theatre is fun for me, but it's also work, hate, sweat, boredom, and everything else that applies to the Real World. The same goes for Layo. There is an art here, as all story is art.

Ozy brings up a point that applies to maintaining and growing the community. It isn't mundane, and it isn't a waste of time. It's caring and responsible. (*gasp* I can't believe I just called Ozy caring and responsible. ;-) Okay, maybe I can.)

Finally, while I didn't spend as much time with your characters as others did, I always thought your characters were interesting, well thought-out and fleshed out, and fun to play with. I hope you don't take this post as an insult, but as a different perspective from someone who claims to be an artist and values the art of Layonara, in all its forms.


I don't get insulted that easily.  No, I enjoy this sort of feedback.  At least you're direct and I appreciate that.  My point of it being 'mundane' was only a side point to my original comment.  I've also spent countless hours here in 'the community', had my up's and downs, made friends, created stories, met interesting characters and had tonnes of entertainment.  Besides all these aspects it essentially originated from a PC game and thats my point.  Anyway this can be debated perhaps another time on another thread but we should not stray from the original topic with regards to favouritisms.  Besides I need a coffee and have tonnes of real work to do.

Cheers,
Polak76
 

OneST8

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2007, 12:07:32 pm »
Has anyone considered that the WLs have done something in the past with other plot quests which now requires them to participate in this one?

What people seem to be forgetting is that the main plot is a huge story line that spans far more than just any single event.

Sure, any one hobbit can save the world however think of it this way... Frodo's trek into Mordor was not a marathon where the ring was constantly handed off like a baton just so that every hobbit could share in the excitement of being part of the grand story. Frodo is the main character because the ring was left to him by Bilbo, not because Tolkien favoured him, but rather because it was a logical and plausible progression of the story.
 

jan

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2007, 12:16:16 pm »
Quote from: Polak76


Anyway be that as it may, I feel that during any plot quest any person should have the right to alter the world?  Why should only WL's get the opportunity? Half the reason they made it to world leader was due to favoratism in the beginning.  But why shouldn't L choose whomever he wants?  Like Dorg mentioned sometimes the 'weak guy gets lucky'.  


*reads over the lines a few times and looks over the approved WL chars and simply nods*

Totally agree , ( erases the rest to not be insulting and walks off again )
 

Harlas Ravelkione

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 01:17:18 pm »
I was not going to reply to this thread due to the downward slope it is headed and it is unlikely that anything will stop it, nor that those screaming about favouritism will be swayed to reconsider by anything that is said by anyone on the team.

Yes, look at the list of World Leaders and show me someone who is not deserving of the title. Anyone of them has worked hard in the game, on quests and outside of quests to leave a mark on the world. I challenge those that point fingers and claim that the Team is set on favouring a select few players instead of treating everyone alike to send me a PM listing the accomplishments by your character in game.
I am not talking about reaching lvl 25 in tailoring, having 4 ioun stones, owning a CNR crafting guild, nor am I talking about people who are top notch RPers but prefer to do this in confined spaces, at the benches or in whispers. It is not that I do not acknowledge that this is done in an excellent and progressive way by many players, but the requirements to be given the opportunity to try for WL status are many-fold.

To name a few:
- Take the initiative on quests and act as a leader when it is required of your character. Do not stand back and letters others make every decision. They may be doing well enough without you, but surely you have something to add as well.
- Act outside quests to show that you are interested in the progress of the quest and its impact on the world. Yes, you are attending each session to help the paladin regain his honour, but perhaps you could work outside of the quest sessions to gather support, do some research, etc.
- Run player events. Again the initiative shows us that you are active in the world.
- Develop your character. This can be done in numerous ways and none are really better than others, but remember that if you are aiming for WL status you should commit some rather epic and impacting actions during your character development. Something that will be noticed.
- If your character is a man or woman of faith it is natural that this should be reflected in your development of the character. Participate in events that are important for your deity and start your own events as well.

There are many more things aside from those mentioned. Some of these have to do with the fact that we will hand the player certain priviledges in the form of WL wands. One of these can ban another player for a number of days and we do not hand those out to people who have shown that they may not be able to hand such responsibility. Another rewards other players with XP and requires an equal amount of responsibility.

If you look at the list of World Leaders and you would like to be one of them the possibility is there for you. It is never too late to change a path or focus on certain aspects of the game or one's character - but you should begin earlier than two weeks before you apply for WL :) .

This became something of a ramble and perhaps some parts seem confusing, but it has been a long day at work. My mail box is open if anyone has questions or an opinion that needs to be voiced in a more private forum.

Harlas
 

LynnJuniper

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2007, 01:18:42 pm »
Quote from: OneST8
Has anyone considered that the WLs have done something in the past with other plot quests which now requires them to participate in this one?

What people seem to be forgetting is that the main plot is a huge story line that spans far more than just any single event.

Sure, any one hobbit can save the world however think of it this way... Frodo's trek into Mordor was not a marathon where the ring was constantly handed off like a baton just so that every hobbit could share in the excitement of being part of the grand story. Frodo is the main character because the ring was left to him by Bilbo, not because Tolkien favoured him, but rather because it was a logical and plausible progression of the story.

You can't really apply something where every character is the intellectual property of one person to a place where the intellectual property of the characters belongs to more than a hundred different people. With that amount of people the aspect of human nature comes in and fouls up that whole argument.

That's why writing a novel is in some ways easier than rp. You don't have to worry about whose characters, or IP you're messing with.

Quote from: Harlas
" Yes, look at the list of World Leaders and show me someone who is not deserving of the title"

Harlas Don't tempt me.
Edit: in reading through the rest of your post a second time I see you've opened your inbox for opinions. In the near future..
 

Leanthar

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2007, 01:36:06 pm »
Yet another thread being locked.
 
 This has slid in to a few people taking pot shots at others. It started out with what some felt is a valid point but a few have deicded to once again use the opportunity to attack others in the community in a back handed and snide way. That is not acceptable.
 

OneST8

Re: An Open Letter to Leanthar
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2007, 02:02:59 pm »
Quote from: LynnJuniper
You can't really apply something where every character is the intellectual property of one person to a place where the intellectual property of the characters belongs to more than a hundred different people. With that amount of people the aspect of human nature comes in and fouls up that whole argument.

That's why writing a novel is in some ways easier than rp. You don't have to worry about whose characters, or IP you're messing with.


Yes I can and I just did. Leanthar owns this world. Leanthar owns the main plot series. Sure he doesn't own the rights to your characters but please keep in mind, all characters that do not fall under the above copyrights are always removed from the story (even if that means removing the entire story). Take darkwulf365 for example, everything he wrote has been removed or re-written for the latest version of the handbook and other such sources of lore.

I had a whole huge post dissecting your statements but then it just dawned on me... I don't care for your attitude at all so why should I perpetuate your train of actions by providing more content for you to twist out of context and warp into your own narrow perspective that defines the reality you live in which obviously only serves your ends.

If you're so dang unhappy (you meaning anyone who is so unbearably dissatisfied with Layonara), why are you even here? Go find something that makes you happy and stay there. This is not the place for you.

As a note for everyone else reading these forums who still likes Layonara and appreciates the way things work; I truly apologize for feeding the trolls. I promise to not voice my opinions in such obviously volatile threads like this again. So, to all of you, I am sorry.

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Please note that the above statements are all my own opinion and not respective of my role within the Layonara organization nor am I representing anything but my own personal opinions.
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Edit: Sorry for posting in a locked thread, it was locked while I was still writing this.
 

 

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