Author Topic: Bruenor LG (Read 1267 times)

RouterBlade · « **on:** July 10, 2005, 09:13:00 PM »

Ok i decided to post this after obvious hints that im not doing a good job going or being Lawful good and its getting quite annoying
not to bash,flame or offend anyone but i know exactly what i am doing and i know of the consequences such as gettings into arguements and taunting people. As L said the change from CG to LG is not going to happen dramatically, it will take time. i know im doing a horrible job at going LG because i just decided to go LG. All because i want LG does not mean im going to Rp bruenor as a champion of vorax right away. Please bare with me on this, to repeat myself i know i am doing a horrible job at LG because im NOT LG yet. Bruenor is still the same old Bruenor, have patience with me, i know Bruenor has made many folk hot under the collar in the past and im sorry but this is the way i choose to Rp bruenors battlerager-ness. Have patience and wait over time, i gaurentee that you will notice a difference.

thanks in the future

Bruenor

Zhofe · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »

A Lawfull Good Bruenor is a concept that disturbs me about as deeply as Christian Rap music ... (Hey it's JC and Grandmasta G, they can save you cause I know they saved me!)

But ... if it happened overnight it would disturb me even more. Take it slow, it'll make more sense in the long run.

RouterBlade · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »

just adding something
i posted this to prevent future confusion and the sort
everythings good

freemen2 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2005, 03:28:00 AM »

Ok I'll bite RB.

Not even on the LG thing but the CG. Am CG, usually play that has t'is what fits my personality the best. But how can you attack party members like you did and consider it CG? Or disrespect a Lord in his castle so much that you end up fighting his guards? Or a few of Brues' actions since I've knowed him, actually?
I don't see how those actions fall under CG, don't know maybe am missing something here *shrugs*

feniox · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2005, 06:26:00 AM »

I always just figured Bruenor had a bad temper and, well....insanity, rather than having chaotic or evil intent, and from what I've seen he never acts maliciously or anything like that. He is an axe idiot afterall, and slightly unhinged!

aragwen · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2005, 06:52:00 AM »

I agree with Kurgaz. Bruenor is not bad at all, crazy yes. In my opinion he never acts maliciously, rather he will do anything in has power to safe a companion or friend in need or danger. In his defense he attacked party members while being under the mind control of the umber hulks. As far as attacking the guards of Haven, he was having a very bad day and I guess he got frustated with the guards. I do not say it was right, but he probably lost control a bit like one would expect from a crazy dwarf nevermind a battle-rager. Other events I have not seen or witnessed. It will not be easy to change for Bruenor, but I have seen people change over time. I am sure if he puts his mind to it and get some guidance he will pull it off eventually.

RomonaBlack · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2005, 08:01:00 AM »

I agree with aragwen. Brue you just have a nasty short fused temper. That's what I always thought. I think that what you do is some of the best RP around. You actually cause a change in the feelings of the players wherever you go. Good luck with the change. I'm going to miss the old Brue.
-Romona (Remy)

General_Ski · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2005, 08:32:00 AM »

Hey! No Bashing Brue.. He is the maker of my armor.. Expensive yes. But sturdy nevertheless.

RouterBlade · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2005, 08:59:00 AM »

well pathfinder perhaps you didnt hear the true story
Bruenor attacked dyness's bear
Dyness attack bruenor twice
each time she initiated
the second time she attacked bruenor was when he was fighting giants
she is lucky Bruenor is not malicious

RouterBlade · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2005, 09:01:00 AM »

oh yea..
hahaha
about the gaurds
Bruenor doesnt like when people say " Hey hold up there! you cant do that!"
the situation escalated
haha
oh well...im planning on apologizing as a step towards LG

Dorganath · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2005, 09:07:00 AM »

Just a point of interest....attacking guards, whether or not you like being told what not to do, is CN at best, not CG.

That borders on the "I once shot a man for looking at me funny" attitude.

But then, I wasn't there, so.... *shrugs*

RouterBlade · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2005, 09:11:00 AM »

The guards started attacking bruenor first
i tried to fend them off with parry but reluctantly i had to toss in brue's craziness

Zhofe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2005, 09:43:00 AM »

Even if it is a CN action, it was a single occassion. People slip in their alignments. The alignment is supposed to be a guideline as to what the character will generally do, not what they will always do.

Dorganath · « **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2005, 10:51:00 AM »

Zhofe, I realize there are alignment slips, and I wasn't really saying anything positive or negative about said action and its potentially CN nature. I also mentioned that I was not there, so that in itself should have pretty much invalidated my opinion as anything other than an unsolicited opinion (and we all know what those are worth).

Also keep in mind that in the context of the game, one "slip" can result in an alignment shift. As in real-life, mistakes happen, and mistakes bear consequences.

The only reason I mentioned anything was because this thread started with a discussion of Bruenor going toward LG and then performing a potentially CN action, which would seem to tip him away from his current Good alignment and probably even tip him even more toward Chaotic.

In the context of starting a long journey toward LG, it would seem odd for someone to go even further away, and that was the basis for my comment. It's not a criticism or a crooked, pointing finger of accusation.

Again, I wasn't there.....

Zhofe · « **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2005, 10:58:00 AM »

Sorry, didn't mean to make it seem like an attack on you, but these actions seem to have occured before this post (atleast that was my impression)

Even if not, then it would probably take a while (especially for a Drawf) to realize that such actions aren't quite as lawfull as he'd like them to be.

I also, however, wasn't there.

General_Ski · « **Reply #15 on:** July 11, 2005, 12:08:00 PM »

Well if it was self defense. One can hardly claim CN.. To add to that gurads did not exactly act lawfully to think of it. the proper act would be try to arrest Brue.. Not to kill him outright.. Punishment for tresspassing death without trial? Anyways. Self defense cannot be claimed CN... I don't think alignment plays into it if one defends his life.

freemen2 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 11, 2005, 01:32:00 PM »

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RouterBlade - 7/11/2005 5:59 PM

well pathfinder perhaps you didnt hear the true story
Bruenor attacked dyness's bear
Dyness attack bruenor twice
each time she initiated
the second time she attacked bruenor was when he was fighting giants
she is lucky Bruenor is not malicious

Well that's interesting there, since you bring Dyness up, because that's what I was referring to not the umberhulk incident. Funny you're saying, once again, the exact opposite of what she told me...now between a druid and Brue, Path will believee the druid, that's one. 2, I (RL) don't particularly appreciate being lied too, wether by you or Dyness.
But fer that, without Dyness to tell her side of things, it's useless to go on.

However, I wasn't asking about her, didn't even bring her up, specifically, what I did ask you is how do you justify Brue beeing CG? And interesting enough, nothing on that.

RouterBlade · « **Reply #17 on:** July 11, 2005, 03:32:00 PM »

Chaotic Good
------------
1. Keeps his word to any other good person.
2. Lies only to neutral or evil people.
3. Never attack or kill an unarmed foe.
4. Never harm an innocent.
5. Never torture for pleasure or information. Threats may be permissible.
6. Never kill for pleasure.
7. Always tries to help others.
8. Distrusts authority.
9. Works well in groups, but dislikes confining rules and 'red tape'.
10. Never take dirty money or items.
11. Never betray a friend.

this should sum it up
got any questions path?

Filatus · « **Reply #18 on:** July 11, 2005, 04:33:00 PM »

I don't see anything in this list regarding punching a wellrespected mage in the kidneys (twice). Ah well, Daeron will be working on a kill-dwarves-instantly-spell for the next few months.

RouterBlade · « **Reply #19 on:** July 11, 2005, 04:39:00 PM »

well he was defending gretchen with the first punch
second punch was because you taunted a not so cheerful battlerager who is still CG
didnt make him quite happy