Author Topic: hatred (Read 2453 times)

blfarris · « **on:** July 15, 2005, 01:47:00 PM »

This is not to start a flame war ...

I understand the NWN and D&D drow history, but the hate and violence in Hlint and in Layo in general needs to stop!!!!!

Today in Hlint, A character threw a rock at another player, just to start violence. I understand the hate when you can tell me a name of a creature that created the hate, but to just hate for no reason other than the race is flat out wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!

RouterBlade · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »

Remaining nuetral on this post, i understand your request for peace and such but this is how some people in layo wish to RP their character and we cant tell them not to RP

Chuckles_McChuck · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »

//question is this IC or OOC. if its ooc, I think your taking it a bit too personally, for the throwing of the rock is only RP (and no it wasn't me who threw it). When you go to the goblin mines to get the leaders head, aren't you killing the goblins for no good reason but the fact that they are goblins, yes they are attacking you, but they wouldn't be if you didn't invade their home in the first place, and why are you invading, because a dwarf told you he wants their leaders head, who knows perhaps hes lieing about them and only wishes you to kill them because he hates goblins

. Just something to think about, in a D&D world there is alot of racial profiling.

blfarris · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2005, 01:56:00 PM »

how is this RPing? you start a physical conflict and with server rules as they are (which I support 100%) you yell and push and spit pn each other? This is what Layo is about?

I am sorry, I do not support and physical violence toward any player character, and there are two out there that I will not under any reason play with, the server rules are quite clear.

Ayreon · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2005, 01:58:00 PM »

Actually, hating based on race is quite necesesary for many to correctly RP their characters.

Also, for many it is not.

It would seem your personal social ideology is permeating the game? I would never hate a (RL) person based on their race or anything else. In layo, seeing as there is an underlying plot taking place; stereotypical,nonsensical, and outright ignorant ideals must be entertained. These are stock traits that are prominent in all fiction.

Everyone cannot be the "all wise, all knowing, uncondition loving" character. Leave that to those for whom it makes sense, perhaps your PC is one of them.

EDIT:
A few posts have occured since I started this one...

The rules say nothing about RPing negatively towards another. It is only an offense when it becomes griefing (or actual PKing), and the recipient parties are offended in RL.

EDIT 2:

Darn skippy that's what Layo is about. Great roleplay, Great times. I am very happy when I hear accounts of conflict between PCs in a roleplay context.

Destropterammer · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:00:00 PM »

Some Dwarves hates Drow..some dont. Some like to show that hatred with RP, throwing stones etc. Some as Nossyla steele does'nt have that hatred which is fine. But!...some DO have it. Thus needs to play it out. Im sorry i really dont see a problem here. Its RP, its violent RP but Dwarves tend to be violent. I really did'nt get the feeling that this particular situation got out of hand. Some threw a stone some shouted some threw a fist. *shrugs* Its RP.

"how is this RPing? you start a physical conflict and with server rules as they are (which I support 100%) you yell and push and spit pn each other? This is what Layo is about?"

Yes it is in my opinion, its an act, an act on your persons feelings towards a given subject, here its a racial subject which should be played out strong, with strong feelings. The Drow and Dwarves has eon's of pain between them, why not show it. If not atleast once in a while, not saying you should start a fight on every occation you can. But all aspects needs to be played out. Violence is definetely an important aspect of a Dwarf. Again, my opinion.

Chuckles_McChuck · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:03:00 PM »

if anyone is dissobeying the server rules then you should bring it up to the GM's; though simply having your character go *slightly whacks (said character) over the head with a rod* is not against the rules.

Imperious · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »

One of the interesting things to take into account here is alignment. Given that Layo doesn't allow evil PCs most of the time (And usually not CN either), that leaves three good alignments, along with Lawful Neutral and True Neutral.

So if a character is good, should he ever be throwing a rock at someone for no reason, even based on prejudices? What about LN and True Neutral -- how should they react? For that matter, how should someone aligned good respond to that situation?

Just some thoughts...

RouterBlade · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »

Bruenor in my opinion is the most wreckless, insane, crazy, violent (list goes on) dwarf in layo. doesnt mean im the same way in RL. i guess the reason why im able to do this is because i know there is a huuge border between RL and RP. To answer your question about layo being all about "spitting, hitting and hating" its not, its about RP. Your letting your personal feelings take the best of you when this is just a game. Know that i would fully agree with you if this was about Real life but it isnt. RP is a totally different ball game.

Varka · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:06:00 PM »

well first....this is just RP remember that...its just a game

And yes I am the dwarf you speak of... and the RP i am doing is due to the "NWN and D&D history" exactly..and that IS why i am doing it...

Not to provoke..but because thats how the world of Layo is build....why should you else play a dwarf? if you dont stick to the story (unless you have a specific story which is possible here). Which makes it funny.

The disputes with the drow is a part of the game..otherwise everyone could go around hand and hand and be friends...hehe

without problems...but where would the fun be in that?

Well...Dont misunderstand this Nossyla...but your RP surprise me also but I respect that. A nice touch I most say

Mendar · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:06:00 PM »

I think this outburst of hatred was handeled in a good way.

Emotions is tricky to RP , but its rewarding when it works.
And if it dos not, a simpel "tell" shoud be enuff to defuse the situation.

Destropterammer · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:10:00 PM »

Mendar. I 1000% agree with you. Speak up if your offended, or play along.

Ayreon · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:12:00 PM »

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Imperious - 7/15/2005 2:04 PM

One of the interesting things to take into account here is alignment. Given that Layo doesn't allow evil PCs most of the time (And usually not CN either), that leaves three good alignments, along with Lawful Neutral and True Neutral.

So if a character is good, should he ever be throwing a rock at someone for no reason, even based on prejudices? What about LN and True Neutral -- how should they react? For that matter, how should someone aligned good respond to that situation?

Just some thoughts...

I have read many threads on alignment, and characters may act out of alignment.

A chaotic good character could very well do something like that, within his own alignment. I don't know the exact context of what happened so i'll leave it at that. A true neutral character could also DEFINITELY do something like that. I understand the CG is more arguable.

"3. May or May not attack and kill an unarmed foe.
4. May or May not Use, hurt and kill an innocent without a second thought or for pleasure. "

I know Brue, for example has intimidated both of my PCs, very threateningly many times. =) hahahahah

Hatred quite often makes for outstanding RP (when it is natural for your character to do so, of course).

http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3256&posts=7

Chuckles_McChuck · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:13:00 PM »

I dont think it would be near as fun if everyone got along together with no problems holding hands. Conflict is needed for effective and entertaining RP. And pointed out earlier in this post, much like bruenor is the most restless mean dwarf on Layo, Lia is probably the most cruel elf or even character on the server, but they are RP'd well, despite their cruel nature (yeah i know Lia is my character, but I think I RP her well

) and seriously, chat up with me via tell or anything, you'll find I'm nothing like my character in RL.

and as said earlier, i've said plenty of times to people and i will continue, if you find my character to be too much, then I will bring her down a notch for you, and there are plenty of times when new players come on and i have my character be rude to them when first meeting them and afterwards, I ussually tend to send an appology via tell to those people.

Ayreon · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:14:00 PM »

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Varka - 7/15/2005 2:06 PM

well first....this is just RP remember that...its just a game

And yes I am the dwarf you speak of... and the RP i am doing is due to the "NWN and D&D history" exactly..and that IS why i am doing it...

Not to provoke..but because thats how the world of Layo is build....why should you else play a dwarf? if you dont stick to the story (unless you have a specific story which is possible here). Which makes it funny.

The disputes with the drow is a part of the game..otherwise everyone could go around hand and hand and be friends...hehe without problems...but where would the fun be in that?

Well...Dont misunderstand this Nossyla...but your RP surprise me also but I respect that. A nice touch I most say

Varka, you seem to understand the concept of role play very well. Hats off.

This is where the stock characters I have been talking about come into play, well done Varka.

RouterBlade · « **Reply #15 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:14:00 PM »

Yea, i agree with menidar
usually after Brue gets into a arguement (arguements with brue arent exactly light) i send a tell OOC to make sure the person RP'n the other character isnt P.O'd at ME. Please remember that this is a game and its made for everyone to have fun, dont let your emotions go wild on it

RouterBlade · « **Reply #16 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:14:00 PM »

Yea, i agree with menidar
usually after Brue gets into a arguement (arguements with brue arent exactly light) i send a tell OOC to make sure the person RP'n the other character isnt P.O'd at ME. Please remember that this is a game and its made for everyone to have fun, dont let your emotions go wild over it

Varka · « **Reply #17 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:18:00 PM »

True..Tell is a good way to stop it....but also a good way to deal with a dispute like this for the "active" PC... when passive characters are watching it.

During most of the lag (sorry hehe) i talked to kayla how to do this - and quin who was also involved....

And so you all know...the hit I made on quin should have knocked him down...but as the discussion evolved too much - I wrote *varka hits quin shield* followed by his retreat.

Zhofe · « **Reply #18 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:19:00 PM »

Yup, I was the human guy there trying to stop Varka, but I didn't mean for hm to stop RPing his character. I actually think it is very healthy for characters to hate each other here. I know my character had some issues with a particular evil corath following bard, but OOC we sent friendly tells to each other and had fun with it.

The game is about rivalry, if not with other players then with the evil in the world. If there isn't any conflict, then why try to do anything? Just to get ub3r 13wt and l3v3lz0rz, and that is what we are trying to avoid here.

Oh, and as for how a good aligned person could RP a hatred of drow, same way they RP a hatred of all those mean evil monsters out there. With a sword and a scream and a desire to smite, even if you can't carry it through.

KageKeeper · « **Reply #19 on:** July 15, 2005, 02:24:00 PM »

It is very important to not let IC events cloud your OOC actions. And sometimes that is very hard..hehe

Last night on a quest..Luna wanted to seriously harm Bruenor and Gretchen....*snickers* But they were RPing their characters. There were a few times I wanted to reach through my monitor and strangle them..haha.

But when it is all said and done, I personally still like RouterBlade and Rehevkor and hold no grudges for anything they said IC and I expect the reverse is true.

Now, how Luna reacts to them ICly in the future might change a bit, but only time will tell on that one.

In short, IC conflicts encourage RP. Sometimes it is messy, but hopefully no one is truly offended by the actions. And a tell is always a nice thing just to make sure.