Author Topic: Creatures following across areas (Read 1279 times)

Shotgunbunny · « **on:** September 11, 2005, 08:36:00 AM »

I'm not sure if this is a bug, so i just posted it here.

I sometimes have problems with creatures following me across areas even though they didn't target me, i have this a lot when i use stealth, for example, i wanted to get some oat from near the ogre at the Zainge river, because it's pretty strong i decided to use stealth, i sneaked past it and got some oat and went back to Port Llast, the ogre never noticed me and just walked around as he always does, but when i got to Port Llast he was suddenly next to me??

Normally i could easily kill the creature on the spot, but the places where i am now have much stronger enemies so i mostly try to lure them to a guard and kill them there, of course this sometimes may be fatal to some animals in the vicinity

IceDragonDuvessa · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2005, 08:39:00 AM »

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Shotgunbunny - 9/11/2005 11:36 AM

Normally i could easily kill the creature on the spot, but the places where i am now have much stronger enemies so i mostly try to lure them to a guard and kill them there, of course this sometimes may be fatal to some animals in the vicinity

This troubles me a lot. You know that luring creatures to guards like that is against server rules?

LoganGrimnar · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:26:00 AM »

Should he let it kill him then sence he cant kill it? I can understand doing it excisivly would be bad and cheating becouse he can take the loot and not have to fight. But if lets say a mage was being chased out of the grey peaks by 15 ogers.. he cast invis and now there sitting in the middle of the road to llast.. then a low level somthing walks by "dear me...AHHH!!" and runs becouse he cant kill that many ogers. Now if taking them to the guards is against the rules, then where should he go?

HooD!uM · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:33:00 AM »

i think what she means is if you go into a fight, lets just say with the orcs north of hlint and you are getin beaten so you run into town with orcs on your tail, that is illegal. I dont think it would be illegal if a low char stumbles on someones spawn that followed them onto a road. But then again, im sure you would see them before they spot you.

Dorganath · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:36:00 AM »

There's something to be said about not getting oneself into situations that one cannot handle. A low-level mage wandering the Grey Peaks darn well ought to have protection, invisibility or both...or stay out.
Now, understandably, accidents happen...spells wear out, someone clicks on a choppable tree instead of the bare ground or CNR plant next to said tree...and so forth. And when in extreme danger, the natural inclination is to run...
However the problem here is that he said this:

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...so i mostly try to lure them to a guard and kill them there, of course this sometimes may be fatal to some animals in the vicinity

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...which implies that this is his general practice, and THAT is against server rules. Add to the fact that some of the "animals" to which this practice is sometimes fatal often includes other characters.

LoganGrimnar · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:38:00 AM »

okay, so im fighting orcs north of hlint. I get a few bad rolls and they get a few crits, what should have been an easy fight justturned real bad. What should i do then? i dont see dieing as an option when there is a town with guards in it 100 yards away, you might say that its not very good or what not to lead them into town (alignment i mean) but even then not all chars are good.

Oh and please note this is not ment to be rude it is just a question.

HooD!uM · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:42:00 AM »

i understand what u mean but consider this. I was in morakens tower working on some potions. an Orc followed someone in the tower, straight away the orc attacked me. Moraken being the lovable person he is decided to smithe the orc with a meteor swarm which by the way kill the orc and me. Now how would you feel about people bringing even a weak creature in to town then
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BTW ://thats what potions are for. healing...

LoganGrimnar · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:44:00 AM »

@Dorganath

that is true, but i dont speek of him, i mean more of any chars that have this issue. the mage at hand might not have had the spells to stop the ogers, but the point isent that the mage shouldent be doing that, the issue was what happens to the ones that run into stray creatures? Ill give a great example. The swamps between hampshre and velensk, if you dont stay on the wall the lizards spawn. now if i went through there and there were lizards all over and i had no way to get by, and becouse its dark i might not have seen them tell they were seeing me. What should i do, what is approved and not against the rules to do? there are no guards in the two near by towns, the only thing to fight them would be the pawn shops. So what should i do in that situation?

HooD!uM · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:46:00 AM »

walking against the walls there will spawn them eaither way...when its real dark press tab, the names come up..then you can navigate

LoganGrimnar · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:50:00 AM »

@HooD!uM

...Lol, okay well that is the one place you dont want to take creatures, Moraken tends to use excisive force... but what about the other char, if it would have been me i would have been very sorry for that, but assume he dident take the monster into the tower, he would have had to let himself die. Now i dont sugest taking anything to Moraken becouse he is like to kill everyone in the building just to get one dang orc lol. But taking it to the NPC in northeren hlint, is that an option or is it agaist the rules?

LoganGrimnar · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:57:00 AM »

Okay i dont mean to keep tossing out "What If..." things but lets look at the grifions between hope and hampshire then. I have stayed on the road and got attacked by them before I happened to have somthing to make me invis at the time so i was fine. but what about someone that dose not. what do they do in the case they are getting chased by somthing they did not actavate purposly (ambushed?) and that they can not kill? Again i just want to make shure you know im not tring to give a hard time i just want to know what is and isent accepted.

LoganGrimnar · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:58:00 AM »

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BTW ://thats what potions are for. healing...

Not everyone has potions.

Shotgunbunny · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:01:00 AM »

My problem is actually that these things show up eventhough i didn't not get into a fight with them, they didn't even see me! I just had another one of these encounters, in the Battle Fens i believe, there was a bunch of ghouls, i observed them from a distance and examined them, and then decided they were too hard for me so i just continued, i casually walked to the transition, nobody following me? nope, ok let's go! *Zoof* Area Loaded! And guess what, a ghoul right next to me!

But just for the record, i always, i mean ALWAYS, try to fight them, but when they're too hard it won't help much, i mean, this creature shows up here, although he followed no one, starts rampaging things he SHOULD never have seen, and i invainly sacrifice myself by dying at the creatures hands, really, that doesn't help anybody.

HooD!uM · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:03:00 AM »

taking a creature to any Npc to save ur butt is against the rules. To be safe, carry alot of healing kits and potions. but regarding running into other peoples "leftovers" you normally would see them unless they are at the edge of transitions. I know this to be annoying, ive ran into these before, especially them Mercs around the edge of the road to fort Llast, where someone tried to fight them and either ran and got away, or died and they just hang around the road edge. But say i was lvl 1 and i ran into thoes mercs in the goblin wastelands, my first instincts would to run towards town, even tho you would loose nothing at all. But then again, they follow you in town, and kill another char before the guards get to them.....You wont be the most liked person in town for awhile..

HooD!uM · « **Reply #14 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:06:00 AM »

everyone should have potions...if not buy em from me!!!

Shotgunbunny · « **Reply #15 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:08:00 AM »

Okay, it seems you still don't understand the problem.

None of those creatures saw me, or followed me, or attacked me or whatever, i continue on my way and load a new area, and voila, there's an enemy i saw just a second ago right next to me.

I very much doubt that these are creatures agro'd by others, since they're always a creature i saw in the area i just came from and there are very few people in the areas where i am now.

And by the way, i lure them to the npc's to have a better chance at killing them, not to have a chance at running, i mean, what else are the guards for then? Lag?

Talan Va'lash · « **Reply #16 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:09:00 AM »

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Shotgunbunny - 9/11/2005 9:36 AM

Normally i could easily kill the creature on the spot, but the places where i am now have much stronger enemies so i mostly try to lure them to a guard and kill them there, of course this sometimes may be fatal to some animals in the vicinity

I WONDERED why all the chickens were dead when i was trying to find them today.

-TV

Shotgunbunny · « **Reply #17 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:11:00 AM »

In Valensk? that was me then, i guess, i am willing to accept full responablity for this, if i must.

EDIT: By the way, Hoodlum, tab is most likely my most used key in this whole game.

How do you think i was able to spot those ghouls in Battle Fens without agroing them?

New edit: the ghouls weren't in Battle Fens and the town wasn't Valensk, the ghouls were is Broken Forest i believe and the chickens which died because of the ghoul were in Fort Hope.

regnus · « **Reply #18 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:13:00 AM »

While I admit that when I started I did this to some degree, the when I stopped to think about what I was doing, I stopped. For all intents and purposes, you were called to be a hero. I know there are some who RP it differently and some look at it differently, but you are called to be a hero in the fight against Blood. Luring creatures to be killed by NPCs is not very heroic.

It sounds silly, but I do it all the time and I have seen many others do it. If you get into a situation where you are getting stomped on, run around. Dont transition, just run around and pick your moments to strike. If you fall, you fall. Watch where you are going from now on. I still havent learned that lesson, but I can run around the creatures with the best of em!

Shotgunbunny · « **Reply #19 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:17:00 AM »

Argh, you don't seem to understand. I can't help it that those thing are coming after me! When i enter a transition there is nobody around, and when i load the other area i have a monster right next to me.

Which i so wisely decided to avoid because it was too powerfull for me, so it won't do much good if i die trying to kill it, instead i lure it to a guard and then i kill it.