Thats just too bad

[Willowraine]

Layo used to be a great place to play and roleplay especielly in the gm events. Too bad that seems to have changed. Or rather some people have.

[Eight-Bit]

Care to elaborate a little bit, Suan?

[EdTheKet]

I'm curious to learn what led to this post... (Can always send a PM if you don't want to post.)

[FlameStrike]

Layonara still is a great place to roleplay, no doubt about that... maybe you've just been unlucky and people were busy at Hlint?

[Guardian 452]

If I were to guess this is stemming from Ices's quest last night.


You know... the one where Suan was asked repeditly to stay back with the group.... and he never listened.... then mocked Ozy about it more than once....the one where she on her own free will shot what was probably the main baddie in the back 2 possibly 3 times... even when warned to stop doing so?


Said baddie returned the favor and killed you for shooting her.


Those in the group felt little remorse for you because you had brought it on yourself.


Then we all saw this post....

**SEE ATTACHMENT**


I can only guess this even is what you are reffering to.


You want to play you character a certian way?  FINE!!! Please do so...... But dont you DARE cry foul when others play theirs accordingly around you!!!

You insulted and mocked people who were only looking our for health and well being... how did you expect them to act?

G-452

[KageKeeper]

Yep G, I would have to say that is probably what she is referring too.

Sad really. Suan acted with stupidity and was killed for it.

You acted in total disregard of the party the entire quest. Placing us in possible danger numerous times. Then you have the gall to call us an evil party? Look who you were traveling with. The premiere Paladin of Toran, the High Druid of Mistone, the most well known Bard in the world, a few Rangers, another Druid, a Cleric of Aeridin, a Cleric of Mist (even though Luna thinks she is evil..) and several others that in no way can be construed as evil. Now, I agree, at times Ozy may *seem* evil, but that's just Ozy being Ozy.

So in short, your action dictated the consequences. In the future I suggest being more of a team player and using your head. *shrugs*

[steverimmer]

Heh I actually like the way that Suan is played, I know she has a thing about nymphs as she is always hostile to them and I'm sure there is a story behind that, hopefully one day I'll find out what it is.  However I think it is often good to have a character who makes life a bit more difficult for the party especially when that party is powerful enough to take it, and a character who does not wholly toe the line often makes the game a lot more interesting.  

Although I was shocked when I saw the post she made in the quest as I thought that she'd take it in the spirit of the game, but obviously I was wrong.  On the other hand I've never seen her do anything like this before even when she was eaten by a mob of bears for doing the same thing in a quest run ages ago.  So perhaps there is a RL reason contributing to this....who knows?

[Frendh]

Don't know what happened, but it may have
nothing to do with the quest even if the
timing was good. And it may have had
something to do with the quest but
for totally different reasons than
what people have been assuming

Though I see posts like the  one
Willowraine just made unnecessary.
Without more details nothing can be
done about the "bad" thing.
 
 

[Frendh]

My general advice is give it some time and
you'll find something worthwhile here. There
are a lot of good characters who will
mix well with a character like Suan.

Mind you, I mean Characters and not tpb:s.

[Talan Va'lash]

@KK - Ozy may not be evil... but... heh

@Frendh - What the heck's a tpb?

-TV

[Willowraine]

I wasnt going to bring it in the open but since you all want to lets start from the beginning.   I knew nothing of the quest I was on cause Ive been away a while so I had to sit for thirty minutes at least while the people that knew what was going on did thier rp. I was fine with it. I had nothing to contribute so I sat there with my mouth shut waiting.  When we finally got moving and into the wilderness I thought "Cool, now I can rp and have fun too' Ozy snapped at me telling me to stop doing what I was doing which was simply scouting, just like Sue has always done and telling the party what was ahead. Ozy arrogantly said that he knew where everything was on the continent. I stated in char that he had his fun now why I cant I have mine. Asked really and then was told to shut up and go away cause I was useless by Ozy. That upset me a little cause it was "ME" asking why cant I have my fun I just decided to keep it in char. I havent rp'ed in ages cause Ive been very, very ill and now that a part of my therapy is over I feel alot better and want to have fun so I took what was said personally.  However, I didnt take anything ooc, I kept to my char and gave Ozy a hard time in char totally appropriate to my char. After a while I gave up on it satisfied that I had aggerevated Ozy enough to match how he made me feel adn went on about my business of scouting for my own purposes just because I like to do more than click and wait till something dies and click again. Layo is after all an rp enviroment, or has it changed to an rp enviroment for the select few? Seems to me like thats what Ozy thinks.  So anyway, nothing of interest until we reach the nymph. Ah yes the nymph, the nymph that attempted to charm a party member, failed, then proceeded to cast a dispel magic on him and try to charm him again, only to fail and cast another dispel magic on him.   And I quote  ....the one where she on her own free will shot what was probably the main baddie in the back 2 possibly 3 times  The main baddie... and yes my own free will. What I'm supposed to wait until the god Ozy says its ok for me to RP cause his mouth wants a break? Yeah like thats gonna happen.  Sue popped out from hiding and told the nymph one more spell and you get a bolt in the back. Naturally I was ignored by all the gods of RP standing around and ended up having to shoot her in the back cause she cast a third spell on a party member then killed one with her aura and kept trying to charm the party member. Meanwhile as far as Sue was concerend the entire party was charmed by this nymph because NOONE was doing anything but commenting on how hot she was so when the next spell came she got another bolt in the back and both bolts were totally ignored in the rp everyoine just kept commenting on how hot she was and the ones playing females just rolled thier eyes and commented on the antics of men but NOONE tried to stop this nymph from charming and then disappearing with a party member and after she came back everyone just plainly accepted the fact that she said he was happy and even gave what seemed like RP clues as to the fact he was in a charmed stupor by saying things like 'If you find him he wouldnt care and wouldnt even notice you' etc...  As far as I am concered I am the ONLY one who RP'ed that scene correctly and after I was killed not by a spell but by a DM power, who I would like to say did as always and just walked up to me even though I was hidden from the entire party, I was put into the water by Ozy and everyone just watched him do it and left me there to rot in some deep dungeon which I am sure is TOTALLY out of char for at least half the group. I wasnt even mentioned after that just left there by a group of people who should ALL have thier alignments pushed quite a bit towards evil and thier ability to resist charm drastically reduced to match thier RP.  I could go on about Ozy and by how Ive heard what a jerk he is and how the DM's just ignore that he is but I wont.  What was done to Sue was out of char and plain mean to "ME" not to her. Can I help it if the rest of you just accept that any DM controlled npc is perfectly harmless even while standing there killing party members right in front of each of you?

[Willowraine]

I read over this again and you all keep saying I died because of my own stupidity. I will say it again, I died because of the rest of the party's stupidity in completely giving themselves over to someone who was killing and charming party members.


As far as that little attachment, yeah I was pretty upset that my party members just left me for dead in some dangerous dungeon when they are supposed to be comrades. I guess rp is a little too much like real life where everyones main comcern is themselves and how much power they can aquire to become the center of attention like thier hero Ozy.

[Willowraine]

I would really like to know why my bolts were totally ignored. I know why they were by the players, I DARED to talk back to god.

But why did the DM ignore it? It didnt fit into thier linear plans is why. Those of you who have ever DM'd know that some player sometime is going to do something or make some descision that messes up the DM's linear plans. Layo is a changing and dynamic world is one reason I like to play on it and if the DM's cant handle an unexpected descision and thier only way of handeling it is to ignore it cause they have no idea how to think on the fly and change the plans as needed should just give up.

If I wanted to go from point a to b over and over again with no change I'd go play Diablo2 or WoW. My char is going to make descisiopns you havent planned on or thought of and guess what. The DM is here for the players not the other way around. You dont ignore someones rp cause it doesnt fit in with your plans. You react to it and do the best you can with it.

What Sue did was totally appropriate for the situation and it was totally ignored becase the DM's plans would have had to change some. You should have kepot on ignoring me and not killed me cause my bolts did zero damage to a DM controlled invulnerable npc anyway who then used the DM ability to see hidden chars and a DM spell to take my life.

Learn to roll with the RP or stop trying to DM.

I mean seriously. How many of you would accept it that the DM in some PnP game completely ignored your actions even though they were perfectly acceptable according to the situation. I'm not talking about someone doing something stupid and totally out of char like say, dropping a party member into a pool of water and making some comment about 'Lets see if they float or sink' ie calling them a piece of Sh*t.

No nothing as completely OOC and spiteful like that. Just reacting to what the rp situation was in an appropriate manner and then getting ignored two or three times. You wouldnt like it very much and if you didnt want to make a fuss you would do just what I did. Sit behind some rock hidden with your mouth shut like the RP hogs want you to do anyway. Then after the rediculous RP is over the npc just walks up and you die instantly, no save, no dice needed. Instant DM death. You would probably walk out and never play with that terrible DM again.

[IceDragonDuvessa]

The first dispelling the Nymph cast on herself to show she meant no harm and she put her weapons away, the second was an accident because I made a stupid dm mistake and the third was on the party member because she didn't want him in her utopia wearing all the buffs.

As for charming Rhizome... she failed... and he followed because that is how he chose to RP his character. The comments about him enjoying himself were because of the area she put him in not any lewd acts at all.

She was non hostile, she raised those that her unnatural beauty killed becasue she was remorseful and couldn't help her acts to show she meant no harm and yet you plugged her in the back with a bow. So she turned and chased you her aura killed you. I don't blame the party for not wanting to raise you as in addition to shooting an NPC that was not harming anyone (and I saw party responses asking you to stand down... Enzo for one) I saw you lure things upon them on at least a couple occasions on the journey to the cave.

As for Ozy he was rping his character as you were. If there is IC tension between you then thats fine and I think that in itself shows good rp. I thought your harrassing him back was in good Rp as well. I however think that your parting comment was out of line as well as the tell that was sent to me on the nature of the party and they character of Ozy.

I am sorry that things didn't go the way you would have preffered to see them on the quest, but every single person has the right to RP their character to the nature that they think apropriate and as such conflicts and friendships will arise both of which I happily enjoyed watching while dming.  If you are willing to dish it out you should be able to take it as well. Ozy continued on to rp his character in the nature he saw fit... you chose to send a nasty ooc comment in the party channel and leave.

[stormspirit]

This is getting pretty silly, and though it has been sometime ago clearly recall you doing the same thing to a nymph in the forest of illusions ina quest I ran.  She was one of the caretakers of the place and the party was there seeking aid from here. Sure she was flirty, she was a nymph, but as a creature of the forest and this nymph in particular a caretaker of it...do you see a ranger shooting her repeatedly in the back?

Not only at the time did you endanger teh welfare of sielwood forest (since the aid of the other forests was needed to restore it) you ALSO managed to call the wrath of the forest you were in down on you and the rest!

Funnily idii has a screenshot of the result of your actions when the forest called for payment. It can be found here:

http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/photos/show-album.asp?albumid=37&photoid=2776

To top it off you were happy to sneak away and LEAVE them in that predicament, a situation caused entirely by you!  In all fairness the poor people would have been rended into component pieces because you would not face what you had done was wrong.

You ended up dead in my quest to....but only after Arestes found you, turned you to stone and the bears mauled you in that state.  The party of course didnt raise you then either...wonder why

1)You killed a caretaker of the and for no reason other than not liking her flirting (and your a RANGER)

2)You endangered sielwood, giving the possibility of leaving it as a husk (Ranger???)

3)You were then happy to let the party die for your actions!

4)Yep you were left dead on that occasion!

To note, the nymphs in my quest were not billed as baddies, were not charming anyone with anymore than words of flirtation and were not in any way or form hostile to the group.

To me it seems that with such a track record of careless endangerment of the lives of others as well as careless action this thred seems to me to be primarily a call for attention, as were the actions on both quests that you have undertaken.  We encourage involement yes, and maybe you felt left out as those of higher level or repute than you took on choices and left you little room to move.

However those sort of actions will not gain you any ears at all...they mostly wind you up dead at best, the rest of the party as well at worst.  No wonder they dontcare if you live or die. Quite frankly I wouldnt either.

[Willowraine]

I'm sorry if I remember Ozy as someone who was nice and liked Sue and let her do her scouting thing. I was a bit down that the player didnt seem to remember me at all sure and that what contributed to my being a bit upset at him when I was annoying him back. But what happened Sue nor I deserved in the least.

I never drew one thing towards the party. Anything that walked over did so because it saw Remier. Not me. Sue knows her job and does it well and if she wanted to draw stuff to the party they would either die or run away cause I know what I am doing.

[Willowraine]

Storm, that was a misclick when I killed that nymph back then and I said OOC that it was a misclick but it was taken as IC and I was forced to play it out and then DM teleported to some dungeon somewhere as punishment.

Oh excuse me I was killed wanst I. Either way thats another situation where the DM ignored me and I was forced to RP the way the DM wanted me to not the way I wanted to. And noone raised me cause I left if I remember correctly cause I was kinda pissed that a stated misclick was turned into a death for me causing me to lose very hard earned xp because I misccliocked and said I misclicked. BUt I went along with the RP and had no choice but to leave them there like that cause I was being chased down by huge amounts of bears for an OOC misclick. Let me reapeast that. AN OOC MISCLICK THAT WAS IGNORED BY THE DM RUNNING THE EVENT. Just like my actions were ignored again at the DM's whim. At least you were able to change the situation to match what was accuring instead of ignoring it totally then killing me later with some DM crap

[Willowraine]

IceDragonDuvessa - 9/17/2005  6:34 PM

The first dispelling the Nymph cast on herself to show she meant no harm and she put her weapons away, the second was an accident because I made a stupid dm mistake and the third was on the party member because she didn't want him in her utopia wearing all the buffs.

As for charming Rhizome... she failed... and he followed because that is how he chose to RP his character. The comments about him enjoying himself were because of the area she put him in not any lewd acts at all.

She was non hostile, she raised those that her unnatural beauty killed becasue she was remorseful and couldn't help her acts to show she meant no harm and yet you plugged her in the back with a bow. So she turned and chased you her aura killed you. I don't blame the party for not wanting to raise you as in addition to shooting an NPC that was not harming anyone (and I saw party responses asking you to stand down... Enzo for one) I saw you lure things upon them on at least a couple occasions on the journey to the cave.

As for Ozy he was rping his character as you were. If there is IC tension between you then thats fine and I think that in itself shows good rp. I thought your harrassing him back was in good Rp as well. I however think that your parting comment was out of line as well as the tell that was sent to me on the nature of the party and they character of Ozy.

I am sorry that things didn't go the way you would have preffered to see them on the quest, but every single person has the right to RP their character to the nature that they think apropriate and as such conflicts and friendships will arise both of which I happily enjoyed watching while dming.  If you are willing to dish it out you should be able to take it as well. Ozy continued on to rp his character in the nature he saw fit... you chose to send a nasty ooc comment in the party channel and leave.

How is my char supposed to know any of that? You didnt say (( oops sorry about that misclick )) and there was no way of my char knowing that noone had been charmed. They were certainly acting charmed. I stand by my statement that I was the ONLY one that played that the raight way unless everyone had secretly rolled against charm and failed.

Ozy RP'ed his char huh. Sorry I didnt know he was trying to become evil.

[stormspirit]

Misclick my foot....she was not factioned hostile and you clearly stated,

"YOur wasting our time, anymore and I will shoot you"

In any case this thread seems to have drawn the attention you were craving and is not productive in any way or form.  Clearly you are desiring to rp your "ranger" in a way that most would deem inappropriate.

There was no dungeon either, you were ported away to be spoken to away from the party..you kept logging out ignoring tells from the two dms on at the time to desist leaving and stay on so we could sort the thing out. In the end after several log ins, many tells and log outs on your behalf we gave up and left you respawned in hlint.

I am now freezing this thread since honesty is on vacation in some quarters and I think your record itself shows that clearly this is more a grab for attention than a complaint that Ice should need to respond to or deal with.

I am sorry you feel mistreated but I hope that in future you can be at least honest enough with yourself to see where the mistakes were and rectify them.