Couples on Layo..

[kenty191]

ZeroVega - 7/5/2006 11:09 PM
  Already I see some effects of dramatic/different/realistic RP. Some of it is OOC and some of it is IC Some of it I like but some of it I don't. (Suicides and Rapes) I don't care how realistic it is, sometimes you need to have an escape from RL and to have a dramatic shock like that can really suck the fun out of it for some people. I don't think L would ever restrict this as there is equal backlash for people who say they are (or play) gay (characters) as there is for people who say they don't approve of it, but I do think it should be kept between people who play known gay characters and people who you know are O.K. with it.

 Again this is lumping the notion of the possbility for same sex romance (Stephen-'disney style') with a progression towards this dramatic RP such as rape. The two could not be further apart in my oppinion, and to mention such things in a discussion of 'romance' RP seems somewhat off the mark.

[ZeroVega]

I just want to thank Talan quickly as he pointed out that I worded my last paragraph poorly... very very poorly. I didn't mean to insinuate that being gay or playing a gay character somehow makes someone less important, less of a person or more open to discrimination than a straight person. What I was trying to point out (and didn't to a terribly good job of it) was that Suicides and Rapes should definatly be kept out of Layonara or at least closely monitored (very closely) and I'd rather not have this discussion or people playing gay characters turn into another overly-dramatic form of RP.

I again cannot reitterate enough how much I wouldn't mind this being allowed or continuing it to be allowed (which ever it is), but I could easily see some player choose to take an OOC belief and play it out IC and start PKing or harrassing a gay character/player and THAT would take some of the escape out of Layonara. I say, let's go for it, but be careful as we do. We walk a fine line (as has been shown from my post). Things can easily be taken the wrong way, especially over the internt, and offending people (and we are all people and all equals) is the last thing that we want.

ZV the Incredibly Embarassed-

[Fortnight]

Form my 17 year old perspective I don't see anything wrong with a gay character at all, if you wanna be gay, by all means! Just means more girls out there for me!

*looks around* Now where'd that attractive monk gal go to? Hmmm..

Seriously though, theres already guidelines in effect for what is acceptable and what is not, to RP sexual activity to me is kinda... 'icky' for lack of a better term, I always assumed that the RP happens when you are on line, and the more virtual-physical aspect of your characters romantic lives happens when you aren't logged in, and is implied by being 'in a relationship' theres no need to RP it.

To me the same guidelines should apply for homo or hetero relationships.

Fortnight!

[kenty191]

ZeroVega - 7/5/2006  11:40 PM  some player choose to take an OOC belief and play it out IC and start PKing or harrassing a gay character/player and THAT would take some of the escape out of Layonara. I say, let's go for it, but be careful as we do. We walk a fine line (as has been shown from my post). Things can easily be taken the wrong way, especially over the internt, and offending people (and we are all people and all equals) is the last thing that we want.   ZV the Incredibly Embarassed-

 I agree with the PKing comment totally and would hope that here on Layonara we manage to remove most of the type of player who would do such a thing, far more than other servers.
  I think it is a compliment to the people of this server that such a discussion as this can take place without it turning into a full on war, despite a few misunderstandings.
  On the note of allowing it, is I understand there is currently no rule for or against such characters, and I believe this is for the best.
  I would also like to thank Talan publicly. He has shown himself to be far more logical than I am at times, and he has helped diffuse a possibly volitile misunderstanding.
  In the spirit of an earlier Kudos thread...Kudos Talan!

[jrizz]

Stephen_Zuckerman - 7/5/2006  2:30 PM
In my opinion, telling a child that it's wrong to love someone just because they're the same gender is more harmful than telling them about all the dirty nitty-gritties of "the adult conspiracy" to use a term from Piers Anthony.

Sorry if I gave the idea of right and wrong that was not my intention at all.

Stephen_Zuckerman - 7/5/2006  2:30 PM
In the end, it's about diversity of RP opportunities. Myself, I consider tastefully done "romantic encounters" to be valid RP venues, but as a family server, we don't allow that sort of thing. That's perfectly understandable... However, there is absolutely nothing more "dangerous" to our "family setting" about a male-male relationship than a male-female relationship.

As long as everyone follows the rules, people playing homosexual male characters won't be any different than the characters who are straight, bi, or even asexual ('cause, y'know, a Troll might be able to cut himself in half and get two Trolls. Er... Yeah.).

To a point I gree with this. It is the " tastefully done romantic encounters" fem-fem, male-male, or fem-male that present a "danger" to the family setting. That is the point I wanted to get across. One of my chars Glenn has a relationship with a char named Silool, there has never been any "sexualness* to the role play besides *hug* when they see eachother and *kiss* sometimes. Mostly they sit a talk about life, hopes, setting up house..... And this is the same for many Layo couples. It is when a couple thinks they have something to prove or looks for some shock value that it starts to cross the line. This is what we should avoid.

[kenty191]

jrizz - 7/6/2006  12:02 AM It is when a couple thinks they have something to prove or looks for some shock value that it starts to cross the line. This is what we should avoid.

 Agreed!
  Now I really should stop watching this topic and get in game! haha!

[Niles09]

I agree pretty much with Jrizz, but a little note: nwn is actually rated +12 years old. Why does people never question the amount of blood in this game? after all that is what gave nwn this rating.

[Aragon]

I would normally leave this topic alone but I think I will weigh in on the subject matter.  Mind you this is my personal opinion and not those of the person who pays for this server.  I will probably get flamed for my comments but as I said before, they are my comments.  If others can have there comments then I should be allowed to have mine.

the original topic of this thread:  "How many on Layo that plays a female are in RL a male here on Layo? And How big are the difference between male and female players. Is it about 10% female players and the rest are males?"

First I will roger up that I play a female character on Layonara.  I play a female because I think they are more challengeing to RP; they are more complex and more difficult to RP properly.  Now some of the female players will disagree that woman aren't more complex than males ... from my standpoint they are ... and I am not being sexist when I make that comment ... its a compliment.

Now for the topic that has evolved from the intent of the initial question, Homosexuality in Layonara.  From day one this has been classified as a "Family Friendly" server.  To me that means I can let my children play on this server with out fear that they are going to be introduced to "adult themes".  If Layonara becomes a place were Homosexuality and other Sexual themes become commonplace then I for one will not stay on this server.  You may say good riddance ... Aragon (Chanda) has been a pain and is a horrible RPer.  That would be your opinion.  But I do not think that I am alone in saying that these themes should be excluded from Layonara.  My personal opinion is that homosexuality is wrong, not-natural, and against all laws of nature.  Just because society has deemed it trendy to be homosexual does not change my opinion.  Before I go any further with this rant I will end it by saying ... if lesbianism and homosexuality become a part of Layonara then I will no longer be a part of Layonara.

[kenty191]

Oh dear, whatever peace which had been reached in this topic has now been obliterated

[Pankoki]

Keep it civil guys, or this thread will be locked.

[Pankoki]

As per requested. Thread locked.

[Leanthar]

Since I have a PM in my inbox about this thread I will repeat what I stated in the other thread that I also locked. This is not a slam on this topic or anything like that. It is what I expect at this site and in this community, nothing more, nothing less.

The first day that I decide my children should not be playing in this world is the day I close it down, and that is a fact. It will have meant that I have lost control on the decency level within the community and because people are not using good judgement I am no longer going to SPEND $3,000 - $5,000 a year in order to let others thrash the world and/or my children or the families of others. That would be stupid and it would not be right for the familes that enjoy the world.

We do not need to have topics of religion, politics, or sex in this community. Those three things tend to stir up heated passions and they are not for an RP community in a fantasy setting. There are litterally 1000's of other sites on the web that support that and will support others in their views. Lets not do it here.

The rules are clear and for people to purposely violate them means they do not respect the community or the rules. Those people should not be playing here as once again there are many other servers out there that support that playe style, but Layonara is not one of them. You can agree or disagree with the rules, that is your decision, but the fact of the matter is they are the rules on this server. If you want to play in this community then you need to abide by the rules, that is another fact that needs to be understood. To continually try to pick or ply at the rules because one does not believe abc or xyz is wrong, the rules are there for a reason, if you don't like them, well, that is your opinion.

If players want to leave because of the lack of sex or not being able to RP sex or the lack of political or sexual discussion then so be it, goodbye. This world and this community is not formed for those things. I am not against any of this, far from it, but this is not the community to discuss it, go find the servers and/or sites out there that do support it.