multiclassing question

[Lilswanwillow]

well, I was in a discussion earlier about what I'm going to do with my monk.  The issue came up about multi-ing into a PrC.  At what level do you have to multi into a PrC.  I thought I'd be able to go to lv 20 as a monk, but now it was mentioned I may have to take a CDQ to multi into a PrC sooner, at lv 15.  Which, may I add, REALLY messes up my plans, but I can function with it.

I hope that makes sense.  My other question I should ask out of the forums, because some secrets are just too juicy to not metagame  well, I can allude without asking.

The PrC I've been dreaming of would keep my monk lawful, but I'd have to change alignments just to be one.  Would a CDQ be able to handle both at once, because to multiclass before 20 I'd have to do both alignment and PrC CDQs... within a level of eachother.

[Acacea]

You have to have five levels before 20, or START taking them at 20. If you do the latter you need to take a few consecutively rather than switching back to your pre-20 class, if I remember.

You can have a gradual alignment change over the time it takes to get there, and either already be switched by the CDQ, or have it be the final nudge as well as the entry into the PrC in question.

[Hellblazer]

So you can take a prc after lvl 20?

[Acacea]

In the case of some PrCs, you may ONLY take them after level 20. Consider RDD, which is a special case yes, as its not considered a manner of blood and there was only one red dragon on the server anyway...only achievable with a WLDQ.

Only one person managed it, and for whatever reason he didn't even take the levels in the class despite having passed and become one.

[Lilswanwillow]

sometimes its the RP and not the class?

[Hellblazer]

ok but for mundane and special prc's that is usually before lvl 21 no? As i was told before Rain took his cdq for arcane archer he had to have the five level before level 20.

[Acacea]

No. That isn't because you can't take a PrC after level 20. That's because you need five levels in any class you have before epic levels, before you hit level 20. Ie you can't cross over into 20 with only 3 arcane archer levels. After that however, others have started new classes.

Would you have rather waited until level 21 for Rain to be an Arcane Archer? That would have been your alternative.

[Hellblazer]

Actually I'm not sure, Rain would have been better in many ways if I had not taken Arcane archer right away, the Hp ac and ab would have been higher than he is right now at the same level.

But at the same time I had a blast Rping with Sonya and Jil his ability as an arcane archer and other people to.

But I guess that's the trade off about PC building and RP. To late now though.

I think this possibility should be clearly stated too, to think of it, the way things are explained right now leaves the knowledge that you absolutly have to take all those level before level 21.

[Lilswanwillow]

well, for the record.. thank you Acacea for your help, giving answers and the like (through PM's also!!!)

so more or less, the rule is if your going to multiclass before level 20, there must be at least 5 levels taken.  If you wait til after 20, there must be 5 taken right away, as in 21-25

[Weeblie]

Note that the earlier you multiclass, the easier it will be.

If you had a pure class until level 30 and suddenly want to change route, it might be necessary to take a WLDQ for that (especially for certain combinations that's considered "too powerful").

Remember that monk is a very special class. If I recall correctly, you are not allowed to freely multiclass with monk (i.e. once you start to take another class, you may no longer take more monk levels unless you do a CDQ) with the exception of one single PrC that I can't remember for now.

Soo... conclusion is... Multiclass before level 20 and it's quite easy. Multiclass directly at level 20 is slightly harder but still quite "normal". Multiclassing after taking a few epic levels (i.e. having one class higher than level 20) and it suddenly turns more difficult.

[Lilswanwillow]

well, since its a monk issue, thats why I was going to wait til 20 to try for where I want to go.  I LIKE being a monk, but theres other opportunities waiting.

[Weeblie]

Lots of sorry on the monk part!

After rechecking on LORE now, I noticed that monk cannot multiclass with any other class. There is no exception to the rule as I previously stated!

(I thought Sacred Fist was a monk PrC, but obviously sooooo wrong!)

[Faldred]

Lots of sorry on the monk part!

After rechecking on LORE now, I noticed that monk cannot multiclass with any other class. There is no exception to the rule as I previously stated!

(I thought Sacred Fist was a monk PrC, but obviously sooooo wrong!)

Monks cannot freely multiclass with any other class.  Monks may change to a new class (CDQ required) but may never return to Monk, barring exceptional circumstances and another CDQ.

Paladins are likewise limited, though I believe Paladins of Vorax and Toran can freely multiclass with the appropriate Champion PrC, and certain Paladins of Lucinda may freely multiclass with certain types of specialist Wizard.

Note that "freely" still requires character approvals, it just means that levels can be taken with either class as desired, within the bounds of the 5 class levels at character level 20 rule.

[Hellblazer]

Lots of sorry on the monk part!

After rechecking on LORE now, I noticed that monk cannot multiclass with any other class. There is no exception to the rule as I previously stated!

(I thought Sacred Fist was a monk PrC, but obviously sooooo wrong!)

Hum lore states that monks can become assassins.



Monks are versatile warriors skilled at fighting without weapons or armor. Good-aligned monks serve as protectors of the people, while evil monks make ideal spies and assassins. Though they don’t cast spells, monks channel a subtle energy, called ki. This energy allows them to perform amazing feats, such as healing themselves, catching arrows in flight, and dodging blows with lightning speed. Their mundane and ki-based abilities grow with experience, granting them more power over themselves and their environment. Monks suffer unique penalties to their abilities if they wear armor, as doing so violates their rigid oath. A monk wearing armor loses their Wisdom and level based armor class bonuses, their movement speed, and their additional unarmed attacks per round.

[Hellblazer]

Lots of sorry on the monk part!

After rechecking on LORE now, I noticed that monk cannot multiclass with any other class. There is no exception to the rule as I previously stated!

(I thought Sacred Fist was a monk PrC, but obviously sooooo wrong!)

Hum lore states that monks can become assassins.



Monks are versatile warriors skilled at fighting without weapons or armor. Good-aligned monks serve as protectors of the people, while evil monks make ideal spies and assassins. Though they don’t cast spells, monks channel a subtle energy, called ki. This energy allows them to perform amazing feats, such as healing themselves, catching arrows in flight, and dodging blows with lightning speed. Their mundane and ki-based abilities grow with experience, granting them more power over themselves and their environment. Monks suffer unique penalties to their abilities if they wear armor, as doing so violates their rigid oath. A monk wearing armor loses their Wisdom and level based armor class bonuses, their movement speed, and their additional unarmed attacks per round.

and if you check the prc assassin, monks are included in them

[gilshem ironstone]

I think that description refers not to the PrC but instead to the IC role that monks often take.

[Weeblie]

Monks cannot freely multiclass with any other class.  Monks may change to a new class (CDQ required) but may never return to Monk, barring exceptional circumstances and another CDQ.

Paladins are likewise limited, though I believe Paladins of Vorax and Toran can freely multiclass with the appropriate Champion PrC, and certain Paladins of Lucinda may freely multiclass with certain types of specialist Wizard.

Note that "freely" still requires character approvals, it just means that levels can be taken with either class as desired, within the bounds of the 5 class levels at character level 20 rule.

Doh... Of course, of course...

I mean freely multiclass, not that multiclassing isn't allowed by itself!

Le sigh... I guess I'm just creating more confusion with my answers than to remove those!

Edit: Noticed that I even wrote "freely multiclass" in my first post, but then, my second post messed everything up even more so! *Coughs.*