Permission for a halfgiant to enter Hempstead

[Gulnyr]

Shiff, darling, it's attached to the temple of an enemy god.

Not exactly.  It's more that the Shadonites decided the tavern would be a good place to worship than that there is an actual temple there that the inn happens to adjoin.  I know the bindstone and pool make it seem like a more permanent place purposely built there as a proper temple, but I think those are there just so Shadonites have an actual bindstone and pool of their own god to use.

There's some old info on the setup of Hemp down a bit in this thread.

[EdTheKet]

Not exactly.  It's more that the Shadonites decided the tavern would be a good place to worship than that there is an actual temple there that the inn happens to adjoin.  I know the bindstone and pool make it seem like a more permanent place purposely built there as a proper temple, but I think those are there just so Shadonites have an actual bindstone and pool of their own god to use.

There's some old info on the setup of Hemp down a bit in this thread.

But that still makes it a place of worship of Shadon, and Toran wouldn't like that

[Drizzlin]

Sure, but again, relying on those fantasy/medieval stories, refusing to remove a helmet following a polite request (without a darned good reason), could be considered an insult that might get you killed too. *shrugs*

So could you asking someone to take their helmet off...

[ycleption]

So could you asking someone to take their helmet off...

That's what the "Sure" was acknowledging

[Gulnyr]

But that still makes it a place of worship of Shadon, and Toran wouldn't like that

As the thread I linked to discusses, Shadonites gather to worship wherever they want, making any place potentially a place of worship of Shadon.  If they did it in the main square, would Toranites have to stay out of town for a while?  The guards can say whatever they want, but can they really tell a Shadonite he's not worshiping?  Saying the kitchen is off limits to Toranites because they have to walk past some Shadonites to get there is the same as saying all of Port Hempstead is off limits because some Shadonites (or anyone else) are worshiping by the fountains in the main square.

Since there is a big statue of Dorand in the advanced crafting hall and the Hymn of Dorand being sung, does that make it a place of worship of Dorand?  Do the flags of Deliar on the roof of the big building where the bank and shops are make the whole thing a place of worship of Deliar, leaving Toranites no place to shop or bank in Port Hempstead?  The Deliarites' bindstone and pool are in a similar proximity to the bank and shops as the Shadonites' to the kitchen, after all.  

I had thought none of these places were considered temples as far as the Toranite oaths were concerned, as much because it's a starter city as anything else, but if that isn't correct I'd appreciate the right info.

[Acacea]

It's probably more the rowdy, drunkenly chaotic bar that Toran objects to more than the opposing temple, anyway. But then, "Thou Shalt Not Bake Amidst Crossdressing Tavern Brawls" is not part of the code, though perhaps he should reconsider the oaths.

[Kirbiana]

My PC Mirrim is actually an Aeridinite, but I do know a Toranite paladin who won't go into the merchants or bank at Hempstead because it's labeled as a temple to Deliar on the outside. The player knows that there's no rule against it from the team, but says it just doesn't feel right to do it. And yes, that paladin is equally punctilious about the Scamp and about Prunilla's temple/hospital/alms kitchen on Dregar.
 
 I truly wasn't complaining about not being allowed in to the Scamp. In fact, I prefer cooking in Vehl for the incredible convenience of being only a step away from the magic hall, crafting merchant, craft hall, temple, bank, chickens, etc. As Ycleption inferred, I just wanted to note that some of us good-and-lawful types have restrictions when it comes to crafting, too.
 
 

[Gulnyr]

Certainly.  As I said in the other thread, I might have my character avoid the Scamp if she were a Toranite Paladin, too.

There is a difference, though, between choosing as a player not to have one's character enter certain places and having a team member say specifically that a god would look unfavorably on a character's entrance to those places.  That's why I asked for clarification.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

Certainly.  As I said in the other thread, I might have my character avoid the Scamp if she were a Toranite Paladin, too.

There is a difference, though, between choosing as a player not to have one's character enter certain places and having a team member say specifically that a god would look unfavorably on a character's entrance to those places.  That's why I asked for clarification.

Well, for myself, I'd wager (to use the oft-touted example) that Toran would look unfavorably on a character's entrance to the Scamp (and, to a lesser degree, the temples/areas consecrated of/to Deliar and Prunilla), but it'd be more of a very slight frown, or perhaps an arched eyebrow, than a scowl and a smite.