Anyone like Geetar playin'? (vid of moi inside!)

[Ayreon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-IvzZghjiI

I made this in march, the backing music is orginal as well as the solo.

It's just a technical-showcase-wankery thing.  


Hope you enjoy!

[Talan Va'lash]

Is you avatar a bumblefoot album cover?

[Thak]

Darn man! (Edited for language)

[Ayreon]

Talan Va'lash - 5/10/2006  12:56 PM

Is you avatar a bumblefoot album cover?

hehe yup 9/11...been using it since i started layo.


http://www.bumblefoot.com  for anyone who is interested (one of my all time favs)

[lonnarin]

That's wicked!  As the last living glam rocker, this video brings me hope for the future of humanity.  I used to play the acoustic for celtic folk and classical, but then Pelordaes introduced me to about 80gb of audio programs and his mini-studio.  Now my headware is calibrated for 80s era german industial and soundtrack music.

Was that a Black Sabbath T-shirt or a Black Label Society one?

P.S. One day I shall modify the Nintendo Power Glove into a self contained air guitar!

[darkwulf365]

lonnarin - 5/10/2006  4:46 PM

That's wicked!  As the last living glam rocker

You aren't the last...there is...a...another...

*Needs to get his chops seriously back in shape*

[Ayreon]

lonnarin - 5/10/2006  1:46 PM

That's wicked!  As the last living glam rocker, this video brings me hope for the future of humanity.  I used to play the acoustic for celtic folk and classical, but then Pelordaes introduced me to about 80gb of audio programs and his mini-studio.  Now my headware is calibrated for 80s era german industial and soundtrack music.

Was that a Black Sabbath T-shirt or a Black Label Society one?

P.S. One day I shall modify the Nintendo Power Glove into a self contained air guitar!

thanks!

glam rock---if you mean 70s glam ala david bowie, i love that suff =D!

i do quite abit of acoustic as well, mainly classical, with the odd flamenco or modern-weirdness piece thrown in.  

that was a black sabbath shirt...black label society is pretty cool though!



haha the power glove....      

that reminds me of these guys:
http://www.myspace.com/horsetheband  

they're 'nintendocore'----hardcore (screaming) with an oldschool nintendo synth. if you listen to the track cutsman (about the megaman character of the same name), you'll hear them mention the powerglove lol. they also have a song about how birdo from mario II ruined his life.

[Talan Va'lash]

If you are looking to play guitar for a living, learn to read music as fluently as a concert violinist.

I can't stress enough how getting and keeping many gigs is dependant on this.

Playing in bands is all well and good but chances are, if you want to make a living as a musician, at some point you will need to do studio work or gig as a hired instrumentalist.

At least 4/5 session gigs will require you to play some pre-written music, either alone in a sound booth or with a live group.  It may even be 9/10.  Even the ones that are in essence "just comp over these changes, drums are in your monitor, we're doing the other parts later" they'll still give you some weird music (you can usually tell if the arranger is a pianist if he writes out every chord of the guitar part, sometimes, in voicings so close they're physically impossible to play on a guitar heh.) Though in this case you can usually bs your way through it and just read the changes.

Heh, though a couple times I've done sessions where the instructions were "Just play a solo over this track." Then you listen to the cut once, and cue up the solo section and give em a solo in whatever style they want.

[Ayreon]

Talan Va'lash - 5/10/2006  8:59 PM

If you are looking to play guitar for a living, learn to read music as fluently as a concert violinist.

I can't stress enough how getting and keeping many gigs is dependant on this.

Playing in bands is all well and good but chances are, if you want to make a living as a musician, at some point you will need to do studio work or gig as a hired instrumentalist.

At least 4/5 session gigs will require you to play some pre-written music, either alone in a sound booth or with a live group.  It may even be 9/10.  Even the ones that are in essence "just comp over these changes, drums are in your monitor, we're doing the other parts later" they'll still give you some weird music (you can usually tell if the arranger is a pianist if he writes out every chord of the guitar part, sometimes, in voicings so close they're physically impossible to play on a guitar heh.) Though in this case you can usually bs your way through it and just read the changes.

Heh, though a couple times I've done sessions where the instructions were "Just play a solo over this track." Then you listen to the cut once, and cue up the solo section and give em a solo in whatever style they want.

I do a fair amount of studio work (the real deal, not recording in a friends basement lol), and I agree completely. My band runs much like a bunch of session players getting together...the songs are written before hand, then we sit with the producer (who drums) who tells us what he wants to hear---then we do it! lol. most of the musicians in our band have extensive experience (international tours, music degrees, you name it)--minus myself--so it tends to turn out well.

 I've learned to read music through my classical studies, and my own sight reading practice, which includes going through trumpet, violin, voice (non polyphonic stuff) and just reading start to finish without stopping. A local professor told me to try it once, seems to work well for me.  

Every guitarist should learn to read, IMO, to at least help them understand phrasing and RHYTHM. All too often I walk into a guitar store and see some kirk hammet wannabee slop out 23048230 notes with no direction or purpose...or even rhythm...

I'm going to university for music in september, actually. I went to your site and noticed you go to berklee. very cool! i was thinking of applying because Canada only recently had one of it's universities start a music program where you can play electric guitar......so I'm going to do that for now, and see what the future holds.

And yes...piano voicings can be a b*tch! Unfortunatly, the only way guitarists can make piano players suffer is by not knowing the names of the chords they are playing...lol.

[feniox]

I don't want this to evolve into an arguement, so I will keep this brief and not get upset when you decide to tell me I'm wrong, but this annoys me. I have written classical compositions in the past, and I do a lot of work with symphonic/progressive black metal, which involves layering a lot of instruments together in the same way, but I know next to nothing about music theory. Not that I haven't tried, but I've forgotten it more than once, mostly because it's something that never gets used when I'm working. I don't think you need an encyclopedic knowledge of musical theory in order to be a "good" musician, and in a lot of cases I think it detracts from the art.

This is probably going to sound a little weird considering I have two A-levels in sound engineering and production, but I also refuse to work as a studio artist, because to me this is the equivilent to selling out, ie: playing music you aren't interested in or passionate amount with the sole purpose of financial gain. Where is the love?

To me playing music has always been about self-expression and writing music that I have passion in rather than whether I can sell a lot of copies of it. I'm part of the whole "if people like it, great, if they don't, to hell with them" crowd. Maybe this is why I will never be a millionaire?

I do agree with your kirk hammet comparison though, and it annoys me how many people think that aimless shred makes you an amazing guitarist. Personally I think the best genre for playing guitar solos in is power metal, truly epic stuff, I'm not into these solos that really don't go anywhere.

[Ayreon]

"I don't want this to evolve into an arguement, so I will keep this brief and not get upset when you decide to tell me I'm wrong, but this annoys me. I have written classical compositions in the past, and I do a lot of work with symphonic/progressive black metal, which involves layering a lot of instruments together in the same way, but I know next to nothing about music theory. Not that I haven't tried, but I've forgotten it more than once, mostly because it's something that never gets used when I'm working. I don't think you need an encyclopedic knowledge of musical theory in order to be a "good" musician, and in a lot of cases I think it detracts from the art."

I think you're absolutely right. I work with a hit songwriter on a regular basis who doesn't really know any real theory. I won't go into detail about his experience, but he often wrote for brass instruments and strings (he toured the world with permanent brass and/or string sections at different times). He would have people either write the parts out for him or have a cowriter do it. The beatles didn't know theory, neither do many artists I enjoy. Theory will only detract from the art, however, if you allow it to. Some great artists know it, some do not. It's up to writers to be able to do their best work regardless. Music Theory is a system for organizing what you're already hearing in a way that expands the musician's aural and written ability. It simply does not work for some people. Different strokes for different folks.

I said everyone should learn to read music...that's because I've worked with and met hundreds of guitarists in my life, and very few play their leads IN TIME! lol. learning by tablature, for example, will not help develope a guitarist's concept of playing in time. some guitarists use a metronome--but only to develope speed. it's kind of silly when you can play your fast runs with good timing, but the meat and potatoes of your solo isn't syncopated with the tune. lol.

As for theory, anyone who is serious should learn it to. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it. You can be great with out it, but who knows---you might be greatER with it! You won't know until you have given it shot. It seems you have, and you would rather go without. No one is stopping you.

"This is probably going to sound a little weird considering I have two A-levels in sound engineering and production, but I also refuse to work as a studio artist, because to me this is the equivilent to selling out, ie: playing music you aren't interested in or passionate amount with the sole purpose of financial gain. Where is the love? "

I love music.

but 90% of every genre sucks, meaning I can find something captivating in at least 10% of every genre. I've learned a lot from really diverse listening. I get a rush out of trying to be creative and come up with the best possible licks for the setting, and using what little I have to enhance the music as much as possible.

 I used to only like metal, until something went "click" and all of a suddent I was into hip hop, electronic stuff, funk, R&B, country, pop ---just about everything---as opposed to progressive, hard rock, and jazz only. I'd be thrilled an honoured to play on a recording of any style (as long as the musicians are good), regardless of payment. The best guitarists I've ever heard are session cats.


"To me playing music has always been about self-expression and writing music that I have passion in rather than whether I can sell a lot of copies of it."

Same.

Money didn't drive me to practice 8 hours a day to learn yngwie's licks when I was 14! I just enjoyed doing it. (btw that's not a style I do a whole lot of now, but it's fun to whip out that stuff occaisionally--like the vid)

 "I'm part of the whole "if people like it, great, if they don't, to hell with them" crowd. Maybe this is why I will never be a millionaire?" "

I agree.I think artists should be open enough for improvement (through producers etc), without compromising artistic vision. It sounds like you'd agree.


"I do agree with your kirk hammet comparison though, and it annoys me how many people think that aimless shred makes you an amazing guitarist. Personally I think the best genre for playing guitar solos in is power metal, truly epic stuff, I'm not into these solos that really don't go anywhere."

As someone who enjoys the "flagship" guitar styles equally, I don't even consider Hammet a shredder---he's too sloppy hehe. But as you said, solos that go nowhere stink. I seriously think he has only ever detracted from the song, save for once or twice. Some powermetal lead players are pretty good...the guy in Blind Guardian does some interesting things that really enhance the music. Dragonforce has a good lead player as well--but they do too many guitar/synth battles. That just doesn't do it for me, lol. I don't mind Sonata's guitarist, either.

My favourite guys are all session players, jazz/fusion/some hybrid guitarists, or wacky stuff like bumblefoot and mattias eklundh.

[feniox]

Ayreon - 5/11/2006  6:35 PM
The best guitarists I've ever heard are session cats.

That's true, I appreciate the talent and flexibility required in order to be a good session musician, it's just not the sort of thing I would personally want to do. Each to their own though I guess.

With regard to the rest of it, it seems that we agree more than I was expecting, I like that and I wasn't knocking anything, just sticking up for the guys who don't know so much about the theory side of playing. I was taught parts of it, and I was taught to read back when I was learning and still playing jazz and classical guitar too, but over time I forgot it because I never used it. I've taught myself to read music twice since then, and twice I've forgotten it simply because I'm never in the situation to use it. I have met a lot of people in the past though (usually of the classically trained variety) who have this real up-themselves attitude though, and think that anyone who doesn't know everything about theory and reading is simply beneath them, and that's not really an attitude I can appreciate, like you said, everyone works in different ways, and being "proper" doesn't neccessarily make it better.

As for genres, I'm pretty much just into my metal, but I find it varies enough to maintain my interest. I do listen to other things outside of that though, a bit of industrual, and I like classical music too which is something a lot of people find hard to believe, I guess because it's such a contrast to the "noise" I normally enjoy.

I saw Dragonforce in my city a few months ago, it was quite an impressive display really, but after an hour and a half it was pretty dull and samey. Didn't stop me going home and learning one of their songs though, heh. I'm not into those types of things either though, not like I once was. I used to want to be the world's greatest guitarist, and then after a while I kind of figured "who cares?" I don't admire great guitarists, Yngwie (to use your example) is great, but there are only two albums of his that stand out for me (being rising force and unleash the fury) everything else seems to be pretty much the same over and over.

These days I'd rather work on something majestic yet extreme. I've been listening to a lot of Borknagar, Arcturus and things like that, and also the new Ihsahn album (who is my greatest idol).

I still wish I could sing though

[Philosopher]

Ayreon - 5/10/2006  8:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-IvzZghjiI

I made this in march, the backing music is orginal as well as the solo.

It's just a technical-showcase-wankery thing.  


Hope you enjoy!

Very nice, I can't play the Guitar at all, but I can play the air guitar really well.