Lore epic spells

[Pibemanden]

Can you please make a note under each of those that they require the epic caster feat(21 caster levels) so people can avoid making the same mistake as I just did and assume it is 21 character levels.

[miltonyorkcastle]

Will do. It does say in their descriptions that the caster level required for the spell is "epic." However, I can see the possibility for confusion, so I'll go ahead and adjust them to show the requirement as "21st caster level" instead of just "21st level."

[miltonyorkcastle]

Done.

[Pibemanden]

Thank you

[Chongo]

This isn't completely accurate.  Epic spells are available at 15 levels of palemaster as well.  It's 21 for the mage/sorc though, and bards get the big slap in the face as they aren't at all available despite being arcane casters.
 
 Just like Dragon Shape is available at 15 druid levels, and terrifying rage is available with only 15 barbarian levels.. as long as your epic.
 
 Crasy bassards tem Bioware folks ain' tey?

[miltonyorkcastle]

Well, in order to have 15 levels of palemaster you must be epic, which is in line with the caster level requirement of epic. However, it falls out of line in that a palemaster may not be able to cast 9th level spells.

I thought there was an exception written somewhere pointing out that Epic Palemaster's get access to epic spells, but as I'm looking at it, only the Epic Mage Armor and Epic Warding spells have the exception.

Are you saying that the exception applies to all epic spells then, Chongo?

[Chongo]

Not sure I'm understanding you completely... but here is a summarizing example:
 
 Character A has 19 barbarian levels, 1 bard level, and 15 palemaster levels.  Assuming he could take a feat that level, at 15 palemaster that character there would have access to any of the epic spells (hellball, mummy dust, epic warding, epic mage armor, etc) provided he had the spellcraft requirement.

[miltonyorkcastle]

Sorry, when I said "exception somewhere" I meant somewhere on LORE. If you look at the spell descriptions of the epic spells on LORE, only two of the epic spells list that it's possible for a palemaster to take them.

What you're saying is that I should add that little note to all the epic spell descriptions.

[D Blaze]

A small side note to Chongo's character example, palemaster requires the ability to cast 3rd level arcane-only spells first, so a level 5 wiz/sorc, or 7 bard, so your example of 19 barb/1 bard/15 palemaster is impossible.

[miltonyorkcastle]

sorcerers get 3rd lvl spells at level six, not level five, but technicalities aside, an epic palemaster can cast still cast epic spells despite not being able to cast ninth lvls spells.

Truly, all classes that can cast ninth level spells, druids and clerics included can cast epic level spells. You don't need to be an arcane caster. All casters that can't cast ninth level spells (bards, rangers, paladins, etc.), with the exception of palemaster (which is more like a pseudo-caster class), cannot cast epic spells.

[Chongo]

Silly mistake on my part *rattles head*
 
 However, it's not 3rd level spells it requires though, it's 3 levels of arcane caster.  Unless we changed that for Layo.  Standard arena server build is a 20 barbarian/4 bard/ 16 PM.  You get 94 AC, epic mage armor, and epic warding.  I've played around 10 of them, so I know 3 levels of bard is all you need (you take the 4th at 40 to max tumble)... not that it matters on Layo with the 5 level req.  Nor would I recommend making that sort of build on Layo, or getting your head directed towards that sort of thing hehe.
 
 

A small side note to Chongo's character example, palemaster requires the ability to cast 3rd level arcane-only spells first, so a level 5 wiz/sorc, or 7 bard, so your example of 19 barb/1 bard/15 palemaster is impossible.

[miltonyorkcastle]

so... to answer my question... are warding and mage armor the only epic spells palemasters have access to, or do they have access to all of them?

[Chongo]

All of them.

[miltonyorkcastle]

crud... errr, thanks... heh... I'll go fix the other epic spell descriptions then....

[miltonyorkcastle]

Done.