Author Topic: Market Tables (Read 882 times)

RikL · « **on:** December 25, 2004, 06:30:00 am »

I encountered this on another server, and it really worked extremely well in many respects. Whats more is its about as simple an add on as you can think of... all I'm suggesting is that some tables be added into Hlint town center set up roughly in the form of a market. This way any character who has goods to sell, can simply set up a market stall (the only risk being if the server crashes). With a player driven economy that Layonara has, I think this could be an excellent addition to Hlint, also giving Hlint a little more "town" flavour to it... and making player trade much more easy. It would also make a merhcant type character far more possible to play.

Joe to Go · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2004, 07:44:00 am »

We used to have player vendors but they had several issues. So they were removed. I think some one pointed out that they had issues and they were removed in another post not sure where.

EdTheKet · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2004, 08:15:00 am »

They were removed on October 14 (see "New Version online" post by L on that date).
People continued to sell to the vendors while they were not designed to be sold to, despite numerous requests and signs and texts that popped up people didn't care so they were removed (unfortunately).
As you can read in that thread, they might be back, or they might not be.

Highway Man · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2004, 08:36:00 am »

Second server I was an admin on had player vendors. What we did was have the items that each vendor had for sale listed and the actual item was stored out of game like with the bank money…to keep the lag down. So for example you walk up to Mr.Smith’s vendor and talk to it and instead of showing the items for sale it can listed them. Course if you do that you’ll need to set up a list some where of every single craftable item and what it does so people know what they are buying…that list could be set up on the forums though.

You could do that here I think…if you can figure out how. I don’t really think we should have 50 player vendors hanging around Hlint though. Maybe a maximum of 2-8 player vendors per town depending on the size of the town and the cost of each vendor could depend on the town size and location as well. Also the vendors themselves should take at least 10% of what ever the player earns from sales. Hlint, Port Hampshire, and Pranzis would be prime real-estate I think. Player vendors shouldn’t be cheap…my opinion though.

Also I’d like to see the vendors spread out and look different from one another in each town. When I first got here they were all stuffed in one building and were all the same guy. Maybe they could all wear the same color tunic to say they are a player vendor.

Just some ideas there.

Edit: Also doing it this way will keep people from selling goods to player vendors when they shouldn't be to begin with.

RikL · « **Reply #4 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:01:00 pm »

You guys are completely missing the point here...

I'm not talking abour Player Vendors at all... I'm saying that there should be some tables, so players can literally lay out their stuff, stand there and sell to the gathered crowds. Its the best PC market system I've seen on any server, Vendors included, and its great for RP.

what I am saying is literally, my character goes to the table/stand/stall put his stuff on the floor/table/stand/stall and starts shout "stuff for sale". Risks of losing everything on server crash is worth it anyway, as you would be a fool to put anything valuable out. The idea is that there is a place you can go and stand, in the town center, to sell your wares i.e. such that its obvious to other people know you are trading

EdTheKet · « **Reply #5 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:04:00 pm »

Ah, allright, that sounds cool.

Joe to Go · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:22:00 pm »

Well I see now. That does seem like a good idea. Might even be interesting to try.

Nytefoll · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:31:00 pm »

couldnt you just go stand somewhere and yell "stuff for sale" then when they get there RP you tryig to sell stuff? is the table part really that essential to the process?

RikL · « **Reply #8 on:** December 26, 2004, 07:26:00 am »

the table isn't all that essential... but laying a few out in a market square makes a big difference, simply as it helps to congregate people... and it gives a set place for people to sell things (i.e. a place for buyers to go). Instead of just setting up anywhere, there is a specific place which it is best to set up in. It also looks far better setting things out on a table rather than the floor. It also means you wouldnt have to continually shout out "stuf for sale" as each new person passes by... they will be able to see that you are tradeing... considering you would be standing by your stall.

As far as add ons go, it would be a very simple thing to do, literrally just adding those few objects to the Hlint area in the toolset... a 10 min job.

Nytefoll · « **Reply #9 on:** December 26, 2004, 07:30:00 am »

i still personally think RPing it is better. Ok so you can lay it out on the table, the first server crash we get we will have the forums flooded with people complaining they lost items and would like them returned. I see no difference between "displaying" your wears and RPing by saying *Infront of you you see an asortment ofdaggers of varied metals, the one on the left seems to glow a faint red*. Even when we did have vendors i still liked just talking to the people that made it than just looking what was on the table.

RikL · « **Reply #10 on:** December 26, 2004, 08:35:00 am »

the point really is that its just a place to go where you can show that you have things for sale (wjether you lay them out or not)... otherwise you would have to go to each individual player you see in order to sell wares.

As far as crashing goes, I would make the rule of... tough luck! It should certainly stop people putting out any expensive items.

Nytefoll · « **Reply #11 on:** December 26, 2004, 08:39:00 am »

we already have the rule of tough luck, and guess how many people still complain about wanting stuff back

Decius · « **Reply #12 on:** December 26, 2004, 09:14:00 am »

I think its a great idea and it is so easy to implement. People will have to accept the rule of tough luck and besides just standing by a table is enough, you do not have to put items out for people to understand. Maybe add some static stuff to the tables for looks.

Leanthar · « **Reply #13 on:** December 26, 2004, 09:40:00 am »

Moved here so that I can do something about it.

Fian Bearsark · « **Reply #14 on:** December 26, 2004, 09:46:00 am »

Well, I'm still waiting for all the competent craftsmen in Layo to go somewhere visible at a particular time, reliably, to sell their goods. The suggestion is made that people should just stand around and RP that they are selling good, but i can count on one hand the number of times I've seen this actually happen. With all these skilled craftsmen around it should happen one a day at least.

Usually if I am looking for something I have to chase the craftsman about for a couple days until I can finally find them- then they don't have it and I have to order it- then they forget the order and I start all over again.

I feel ridiculous getting online and sending a Tell to a craftsman to see if "they still have the item?" or "Where are they now?" like its some sort of Walkie-Talkie! But its the only way to meet for a sale most times.

I think Rikl's idea is a very good one- a simple group of tables would lend a strong sense of formality to selling goods. Everyone would know why you're standing there and you would also feel obliged to offer items and deal on the spot as you stand at the tables.

minerva · « **Reply #15 on:** December 26, 2004, 02:04:00 pm »

I like this idea. Having one day set aside as a market day in the major centers is a good idea. If it was on the event calender, craftspeople could prepare for it and buyers would know where and when to look. Katrien is just starting to make items that people might want to buy. I'd much rather sell to a newcomer than the pawnshop. It would make for some interesting RP as well.

My 2GP

silverblades · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2005, 12:24:00 pm »

whatever happened to this..?

I remember a fellow Arrow was his name in Hlint craft house wandered back and forth and you could make batches of stuff for him, short bows long bows etc....

Well now he's gone,Now I can finally make batches of bows or weapons at a decent rate of success he disippeared. we all seem to have crafts to sell but no place to do this short of yelling by the bank you have something to sell..

I dont want to make anything more because I have a limited amount of space to put my finished products.

Is there going to be something implemented to sell out products we spent so much time and energy on?
second ...selling a bow to that guy who buys anything violates the selling agreement you have told us to stand by, (we arent to undersell our products too much,keep to the lense price)I know these items disippear that you sell to him, but still in the IC sense its not what we should be doing.

Even if you dont create a place to sell our wares could a DM roleplay a vendor or trader to buy items at a reasonably fair price or accept donated weapons to further the War effort.

I once saw this before in Hlint, had a Mistone guard accepting weapons for the war effort.
At least I know my efforts are not in vain (such as selling them for pennies of throwing them away)...Ive seen people giving armor away just so they dont have to lug it around, this hurts the economy when items are given away like that.

well I hope I put a bug in sumeones ear .. would like to see something done in this area and I know all the DM's are very busy. My thanks for the few times I was there to see your constant involvement in Layo...everything you do is great, so I know whatever you do here will be also. * Takes off hat and bows*...

Talan Va'lash · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2005, 12:35:00 pm »

Arrow and Fizzburr were removed because they were exploitable.

Selling your crafted goods to NPC's isnt the intent, and has been decided that thats not the way it should be handled.

You have to become a merchant and sell them to PCs. New PCs are constantly coming in, there is demand for items.

As to the caravans who used to come through hlint to donate things, I'm not sure who did that at the time. I tried to get something like that run 2 months ago (had a lot of stuff i wanted to donate) but the times never worked out with the DM I was talking to about it. So I just kept the stuff and have sold a lot of it since then. You just need to hawk your wares. And if your character isnt a hawker, then team up with someone who is.

Edit: I still like hte original idea in this thread, a designated place with market tables for selling and bartering. Though its not really neccesarry (there are places that have become designated market places) I still think it would be cool if it was a bit more bazaar looking.

silverblades · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2005, 12:49:00 pm »

I was more interested in selling the stuff to be able to free up some storage space. I love crafting and so am stuck with items no one wants...ever try to sell a bronze sword..impossible..everyone wants Iron..

Alls Im saying is hate giving stuff away ...hate to see it be given away IC,this hurts all crafters.I enjoy crafting more than adventuring sometimes. Just want an easy venue to get a fair price for the work and time we spend crafting. My RL doesnt allow me to spend hours hawking wares is all.

Variable · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2005, 01:01:00 pm »

If you want to sell anything that is basically what you have to do. That along with the Trade Forum are what i use to sell my items. Quite a few people have list on the trade forum with things they have for sale.

If you start a list like this people will contact you if they see something they are interested in. These help sell my goods.

This is my list: http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15403&posts=6

This is Talan's: http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11109&posts=41

ZV's: http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14883&posts=5

And this is the list that Xandor started for a whole group of crafters: http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15164&posts=2