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Quote from: Brutus_Clawfoot
1: Bartholomew’s age: 75
If you will give me the space, I would happily change his age to 67 or yes, 70 (67 happens to be the year that I was born actually) But, when I conceived of him, I knew that I would be RP’ing a character, at the final tip of his waning years.
67 will not work for the reasons already mentioned in my initial response. Bartholomew will have to be at least 70 years old at the time of this character submission. Alas, as you already created Bartholomew IG and actually played with him quite a bit before even posting the submission itself, you must have already set him to a certain age in the process of setting up the PC. I guess the age you used during the creation was 75? I cannot verify this by myself, so I will have to take an educated guess here. Else you would not have used 75 during the character creation. Correct me if I am wrong here. If you actually submitted your character before creating him IG, we'd have more leeway (age 70-74) here...

Quote from: Brutus_Clawfoot
I am of the opinion that having an aged person in a group of young people, adds flavor, and years of knowledge that is sometimes useful, and, sometimes annoying. I feel that it can enhance the RP.
I don't disagree with you here, but for the approval of a character with a average lifespan of 70 years (and a half race at that -> last of his kind) is harder than the submission of a character who just starts their journey. The team is very keen on the stated reflection of his situation.

Quote from: Brutus_Clawfoot
Yes I do agree that CN, seems a streamlined pinnacle. Based on the characters bio, he started off as a simple farmer, then got on willingly recruited into an orc army, and found himself fighting for some cause he does not believe in, and then being released from all that because of the futility of the circumstances, to me, it does not seem unreasonable that he could have a chaotically neutral alignment. If you are nice to him, he might be nice to you. If you treat him poorly, he may treat you poorly. He may do either, depending on no circumstance at all. His life has been, just as unreliably chaotic.
I did not write that I don't see Bartholomew as a CN. I merely stated the options you have with this submission, as you did not submit him as CN, but as "NG or CN? (Whichever fits?)". It is not up to the character approvers to make this decision for you. We check if it is within the requirements / is restricted etc. It may be a fitting alignment, but the team will need further input on CN submissions. I already posted a link regarding the special requirements in my initial response, but in case you missed it, here it is again:

Mainly, I am missing a statement from you, the player. To quote from the wiki entry on rules for alignments: "Submissions for Chaotic Neutral must include a statement in player's own words, stating that he or she understands and accepts the rules of the Layonara community, and that the player understands that character actions have appropriate consequences."
Quote from: Brutus_Clawfoot
3 classes.

At the risk of not writing the next War and Peace in Bartholomews bio, I did simply gloss over his youthful years on the farm, but arguably his discovery of magic could have been nurtured by his father or an elder, as farm work is never as simple as tilling the land and planting seeds. There are so many other layers of technical work it doesn’t seem unusual to me that magic might come in handy.

I don’t disagree that it is conceivable. He may have picked up his understanding of magic during his years in the Clawfoot clan, perhaps, mentored by another, unwilling recruit / slave, but I was slightly reluctant to have him have too many personal connections with the Clawfoot clan, so that he could break his ties more evenly. But I’m open to anything.  What other additions to his bio might I add to resolve this?
Of course, the use of the Al'Noth can be used in farming as well, but the discovery / understanding of the Al'Noth will have to have some scholastic background / research. Wizards are those who have been taught to use the Al'Noth, sorcerors have the knack. He'll probably have heard or seen about the effects of the use of the Al'Noth, so he might have gotten curious about it as well. But he initially will need a tutor or, generally speaking, a source of knowledge on how to access the Al'Noth. You want him to be a wizard and not a sorcerer with innate ability.

Also, I just want you to be aware that Bartholomew starts with cantrips (level 0 spells). Effects are minor, so their effect on farming will be minor as well, i.e. he'll not be able to control the humidity (air or ground).

Furthermore, I need the intended level split at level 20. While you mentioned the intended split for 45, multiclass submissions only require the intended split at lvl 20.

 Hey there Brutus_Clawfoot,

I haven’t forgotten about your character submission, but RL kept me too busy until now to have a deeper look into it…

There are some things we must work on if we are to approve Bartholomew:

Due to lore reasons, no half races can be born after the year 1421. The current year is 1491, so a character would need to be at least 70 years old upon submission. Bartholomew is supposed to be 75 years old, so the math itself is right. However, the average lifespan of half orcs is about the same as it is for humans, namely 70 years. 75 as a starting age really is pushing it, as it is already past the average lifespan of his race. Of course, there is not much leeway given the limitations on the date of birth for half races. As Bartholomew will be stone-bound as a player character, we’re going to allow the age (and thus playing a half race with a limited lifespan) with a restriction: Bartholomew will be one of the last of his kind in the entirety of Layonara, except for the other very few half orcish player characters. The “normal” half orcs will be no more in a few years (give or take). Bartholomew will be aware of this situation, seeing how he is aiming to be a wizard as well. What we are asking of you is for Bartholomew to reflect on this aspect in this character submission.

2. Alignment:
The alignment of half orcs is restricted, meaning he will have to start out as either True Neutral, Chaotic Neutral, Lawful Evil or Neutral Evil. The lone exception to this rule is if a Half Orc is submitted as a cleric of Az'atta, in which case they may submit with a Good alignment (
Out of the two options you stated in the submission, NG will only be possible if he were to be submitted as a cleric of Az’Atta. CN is a restricted alignment so we’ll need some additional statements and will require a more in depth biography that supports the chaotic neutral alignment ( Details on the alignment itself can be found here:

3. Classes:
I see a lot of support for him being a barbarian, but not a lot of support for wizard. I am aware characters start out at level 1 and only know how to cast some minor cantrips, but the way to even reach that level already takes years of rigorous studies. Wizards generally begin to study magic in their early teens as an apprentice to another Wizard. There are also academies specifically established for teaching magic and the ways of the Al'Noth. Such institutions, such as the Lucindite School of Magic in Spellgard, offer a much broader and in-depth education but at the expense of the one-to-one master/apprentice relationship. Certainly, there are other ways as well. Did he have some mentor along the way? How did he study the Al’Noth? Using the fundamentals of the Al’Noth on farming / the land and feeling to harness the power even further sounds more like a druidic behavior to me.

Additional Notes:
Despite the heavy input on age, alignment and the wizard class, the submission itself has good foundations and the motivation about why he heads out into the world becomes clear. Overall, I get a good picture of him. We ask a lot of this submission, because you’re asking for a race with is technically already dead (as is restricted to begin with), as well as submitting for a restricted alignment

I am not sure if Half Orcs automatically receive the ear for the orcish language, but you could request so if you want it. As he lived with the Clawfoot Clan for quite some time, I see no reason not to allow it (if Bartholomew has at least an INT 12 of at least 12 at submission, which is likely as he strives to become a wizard). You just have to request it  ;)

Character Submissions / Re: Character Submission - Monk
« on: January 17, 2024, 02:18:15 pm »
Hello StormChaser,

this submission is currently under review by the team and we will give you a proper response ASAP!

The reason why this submission is under review and needs some time for discussion within the team, are the current rules regarding exotic race submissions. Currently, exotic races (such as Dark Elves, Orcs, Goblins, Brownies etc.) are restricted by limited time availability for applications (see

As soon as we completed the review, we will take a deep dive into your submission.

Thank you for your understanding!


Character Submissions / Re: New character submission : Charlee Hommell
« on: November 23, 2023, 12:02:17 pm »
That's the statement I was after ;)

Your character is approved.

The address is
 The password is layoplayer

Welcome back!

Character Submissions / Re: New character submission : Charlee Hommell
« on: November 23, 2023, 11:56:46 am »
Hey there minerva,

I don't see any issues with the submission per se. Is Charlee Hommell in any way related to Katrien Hommel? I noticed their surnames are very close.


Character Submissions / Re: Brace Windstorm
« on: November 18, 2023, 01:54:40 pm »

Character Submissions / Re: Character Submission: Tormaz Torcsmith
« on: October 14, 2023, 02:28:21 am »
Hey there,

I am a bit confused right now, seeing as this submission is an exact copy of an already approved character of yours (, minus the name.

From what I have gathered, you want to have your old characters ported over anyway?


Character Submissions / Re: Character Submission: Valanya Godwinson
« on: October 13, 2023, 02:36:43 pm »
Hello gavinsmith2600,

thank you for your submission. It is a solid submission, but I am afraid I have to clarify some things (if I read correctly on discord, you are a returnee and some things have changed over the years):

Due to some IG events, no half-races are born after the year 1421. As some IG time has already passed (it is already the year 1490), the starting age of a half-elven character would be 87 years old. I did a check myself and I can no longer select a half elf during the race selection screen upon character creation.

Not relevant for the initial submission, but for a possible resub I'd like to mention that paladins have restricted multiclassing ( While it is still possible to take sorcerer levels later on, Valanya may not freely take any more paladin levels after taking a level in a new class.

Also, as it is a paladin submission, I'd like you to extend the additional statements a little more ( I am kind of missing the first point.

Due to the responsibility of a character who is granted divine power to uphold these things submissions for Clerics, Paladins and Champions must contain the following three sections in addition to the standard submission:
  • An acknowledgement that the player has read and understands the dogma and expectations of their chosen deity and intends to follow them.
  • How this particular character sees and interprets their deity's dogma in the past, and how they will, in the future, reflect that interpretation. This does not mean that your character may not change how they interpret the dogma or how they embody that interpretation as they are influenced by world events and RP. Treat this section as more of a description of how your character currently plans to embody their interpretation of the dogma.
  • A discussion/explanation with respect to how closely the character follows normal practices of the chosen deity, particularly in regards to the character's choice of weapon, armor, clothing and even colors worn.

Just as a side note: The weave is now known as the Al'Noth  ;)

As I already mentioned before, I really like the submission per se. It truly is a good read and without the race (which can no longer be selected during character creation) and the missing statement regarding your understanding of the dogma, I'd approve it right away.


Introduce Yourself / Re: Do my characters still exist?
« on: July 11, 2023, 02:52:12 am »
If you did not request a character deletion, they are still lurking around. I just did a quick check for Cherry Sherry Butterfly and she is indeed still around. The others should be as well.

Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Card Bag Removal
« on: September 08, 2022, 03:51:19 am »
This has been taken care of.

Roleplaying / Re: Rebuilding the village of Vale
« on: February 14, 2022, 11:55:58 am »
//All the gathered good up until now have been shipped over to Vale. Thread updated accordingly :)

That would require a database edit, to my knowledge. While I cannot help you with that, I took the liberty and placed a sign right next to the door. I know it is only temporary and I will have to redo it after a server reset, but it is something I can provide for the time being.

General Discussion / Re: Hide in Plain Sight (Ranger)
« on: June 19, 2021, 01:11:54 am »
Does Light effects from items or the Light spell have any adverse effect on Ranger HIPS?
If there is a source of light nearby you cannot use HiPS, whether it be from any kind of equipment or a torch, the spell light etc

General Discussion / Re: Hide in Plain Sight (Ranger)
« on: June 18, 2021, 10:24:54 am »
To my knowledge the feat has not been updated recently. Ranger HiPS always had some limitations compared to the vanilla one. Maybe the IG description changed to avoid confusion.

As it describes, rangers can only use HiPS is certain areas which have natural surroundings, i.e. forests, swamps, meadows. Generally speaking, it can be used in most outdoor / rural areas. It should also work in natural caves and other areas under ground.

Roleplaying / Re: Rebuilding the village of Vale
« on: May 31, 2021, 03:06:21 pm »
//All the gathered good up until now have been shipped over to Vale. Thread updated accordingly :)

Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Willik is stuck in transporter area
« on: May 22, 2021, 02:52:48 am »
Try logging in with him again. He should be unstuck now.

Ask A Gamemaster / Re: Bron is stuck in the "Transporter" area
« on: May 16, 2021, 02:33:36 am »
Not sure why or how this had happened, but you are unstuck again. Please let us know if it happens again :)

Hey there,

I'd like to try out some things first with Bron IG before we'll recreate him from scratch as the latter is far more complex (administrative wise) below the surface. I'll try catching you IG to run some tests on Bron.

Hey there,

sorry for the delay on this, but as you are resubmitting Nate for a Prestige Class that is considered as "complex", it will take us some time to carefully read through the original submission, the CDT and exchange several thoughts between each other before we come up with a reply. It would have helped if you included a link to Nate's journal and original submission as well.

We approve Nate for CDQ(s) to take assassin levels. Please find a GM to run this and point them to this thread. Keep in mind that taking a CDQ does not guarantee approval right away. There is always a chance of failure when trying to take on a complex PrC.

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