Regarding Preparations for the Retaking of Pranzis

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

Who would I need to approve various ideas/NPC interactions that relate to the retaking of Pranzis? If, for example, my character were to charter the help of a clergy, who would I talk to to play that out/get it approved?

Because I've already got all sorts of plans for Pranzis, which fit quite well with my character, but... All of them involve him STAYING in Pranzis, so he can't exactly read the Surge's message board and leave a note saying "Meet me at midnight at Lorindar's docks, east end."

[darkstorme]

I'm all for some sort of communication link; Kell would want to contribute to the retaking of Pranzis, given his abscence during the final battle.

[Leanthar]

What you guys need to do is to get a large group of people together, start getting things squared away etc. Then when things are ready let us know and the team will get something that fits in to our schedule on the calendar. There has to be organization on the player side of things though or this will not be happening.

Eventually there will be something done by the GM side for pranzis and dregar. Retaking of the city might not be on that list (I simply do not know yet -- it is not a "secret"), but something dealing with dregar and the situation will happen eventually even if it is not player run.

[Nibor21]

Any attack to retake Pranzis should be done Boegar gets his nasty evil city wall rebuilding minions to rebuild the walls.

In addition there is the question of should Pranzis be re-taken? There was no king before the city fell who would take command if the city was regained.
Taking down a governement/leader/tyrant without having a plan on who/what shall replace them may well lead to civil insurrection and allow allsorts to try and take advantage of any power vaccum -

Boegar seems to be honourable man. Perhaps people need to find out how he is treating the citizens and what he is doing before launching an attack that will only cause more pain and anguish to its citizens. If his rule seems fair and his demons are behaving themselves does the city need to be retaken. Boegar is his own boss now and is not governed by Blood perhaps he will be a good ruler. Send in spies and investigate - the city gates do not seem blocked (or even there come to think of it ). Oh and if anyone speaks in horror about having demons being guards of a city I would remind you that an incredibly large percentage of the population of Hlint seems to be made up of Drow!

And remember on thing - we who failed and let Pranzis fall were able to escape out the city. Boegar and his forces have nowhere to go they may be far harder to get out than you think.

[Leanthar]

"....In addition there is the question of should Pranzis be re-taken?...."

A good question.

One other thing, there is a major quest happening there at this time and that has to be given time to play out as well. Clearly it is dealing with the current results but it should not be set up for automatic failure and that is critcally important.

[Black Cat]

Nibor21 - 6/27/2006  5:38 PM

In addition there is the question of should Pranzis be re-taken? There was no king before the city fell who would take command if the city was regained.
Taking down a governement/leader/tyrant without having a plan on who/what shall replace them may well lead to civil insurrection and allow allsorts to try and take advantage of any power vaccum -

Boegar seems to be honourable man. Perhaps people need to find out how he is treating the citizens and what he is doing before launching an attack that will only cause more pain and anguish to its citizens. If his rule seems fair and his demons are behaving themselves does the city need to be retaken. Boegar is his own boss now and is not governed by Blood perhaps he will be a good ruler.

Xandrian Mor as pledge is sword to the defense of the King and of Pranzis and Lorindar, so as much as the idea of having Boegar taking up the role of the new ruler is upsetting him, he has taken some thought to it and well, it doesn't seem so bad. Don't call me a traitor or anything but...

Xandrian feels much more about Dregar itself than about its ruler. He never had the occasion as a cadet officer to meet the king. And well he heard a lot of things about him (some of them not very nice). Though the pledge of the Officers Corp is to the King and then to Dregar (Pranzis and Lorindar in particular), now that there is no king anymore, his pledge is fully towards the people and land of Dregar. And as such he must find the best solution for them, one that will allow them peace and security. And there is really only two of those:

- retake Pranzis by force. But this will require a lot of manpower and ressources and will probably cost a lot of lives. And too many have been lost already.
-Wait to see what rules Boegar will instaure and maybe accept him as the new ruler. So far, he has shown mercy and honor (I think, since in my opinon and views of the aftermath of the battle, he allowed us a safe retreat once the city was taken) //correct me if I'm totally wrong.

//The rulers of countries and/or cities are often the latest conquerors of said country/city. Xandrian as a Cadet Officer of the late army would probably object to this idea, but if the new ruler seems honorable and just, then why not letting him rule. Maybe a bit of diplomacy could be tried this time. Many people have died so far and I think many will again if a new war is started to retake Pranzis. And this is probably even worse to Xandrian code of conduct than accepting the conquer as the new ruler.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

This is NOT an IC thread.

Just to tell you.

There are plenty of IC threads regarding the retaking of Pranzis. Go look for them; this thread was just to ask about what I would need to do to incorporate the interactions with various NPCs in the world.

[Pen N Popper]

I'm not entirely clear on the current situation within Pranzis, so some of these ideas might not make sense. Also, I'm coming at it from my current PC's class perspective (rogue).
  Some possible stages:
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• Establish a "safe" house both in Hlint and within the city walls of Pranzis. Both places would have a portal.
• Spies would be recruited to travel into the city by this route and make maps and take notes. This would be an RP endeavor without need of GM interaction. GMs could, at their whim, spot the infiltrators. Death is not out of the question if spotted.
• Based upon what is found, a plan for an attack from within would be formulated. Some intermediate quests:[list=1]
• Infiltrate andassassinate some of Broegar's advisors.
• Infiltrate and set traps in areas that would harm and demoralize Broegar's forces.
• Firebomb military warehouses.
• Sabotage defensive equipment.

• The end assault might be to simultaneously:[list=1]
• Trap layers move throughout the city and lay deadly traps at strategic points.
• Battlegroups are secreted into the city, each group going to a different player house for a coordinated attack.

[/list]  Alternatively, the final battle might be just to wear him down and then send in the bards for a negotiated settlement.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

... Wow. Good to see someone putting thier INT mod to good use.

I imagine Bumblebee would likely be interested in getting in touch with Pyyran sometime. *Hint.*

[Redhawk]

The city should be retaken and from Maev's point of view, a power sharing leadership would be established instead of a King. Both Rofierien's temple and Toran's temple  held major power in the city and I think they could be set up to rule it -- a liberal theocracy.

[Schmack]

Black Cat - 6/28/2006  4:36 AM
 -Wait to see what rules Boegar will instaure and maybe accept him as the new ruler. So far, he has shown mercy and honor (I think, since in my opinon and views of the aftermath of the battle, he allowed us a safe retreat once the city was taken)

 Good idea that, as Broegar isn't one of Blood's Generals anymore, and he did want to avoid bloodshed, offering the defenders of Pranzis a chance to surrender, and he did let them go afterwards. Of course, you can still send in spies to find out what he's been doing after Pranzis was taken over, and defenses (If he turns out to want to take over the world and enslave everyone) As well as sending diplomat-ey people to talk to him about his plans and things for the future... he really doesn't seem that evil, just misunderstood

[stragen]

Redhawk - 6/29/2006  12:43 PM
Both Rofirein's temple and Toran's temple  held major power in the city and I think they could be set up to rule it -- a liberal theocracy.

The Citadel / Temple of Roforein was the only area not to fall to Brogers forces.  I believe most of the refugees fled to this area.  Thus the Temple of Rolferien would have a lot of sway over the current population.  Furthermore given the reappearance of Dragons, a Theocracy based on dragon worship is not unthinkable.  The Healer of Rofirein may be the key figurehead for an resistance movement, or parley with Broger.

A certain cleric with a pointy hat, Jin Lun Lee, was defending this area.  That cleric is now remaining in the area assisting the refugees and wounded.  At this stage the said cleric would  not be supporting any overt retaking of Pranzis, as now is a time for healing.  He would support a move to parley with Broger to ensure that he doesn't attempt to sieze control of the Citadel / Temple of Roforein area.  He is working and hiding within the mass of refugees in this area until the situation changes for the better (or worse).


 

[Honora]

Regarding spys, Honora is staying in Pranzis since the dwarf in charge apparently wants the city marginally functional at least.  I've put myself up as a possible spy and right now I think we're just waiting on what the final word is on the state of the city.  But if spys are allowed, she'll offer to be part of the info conduit.

[darkstorme]

If this is still open, this would be a prime opportunity for Rogues and arcane spellcasters to sneak their way in undetected - and the formation of a Shadow Alliance (or some less melodramatic name) would not be untoward.

[Jonzer Hexblade]

Depending on when this happens Elrend would love to participate considering his abscence in the final battle. If there is anything I can do just tell me and I will see what I can do. This sounds like to good an idea to just drop though.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

Noone seems to understand that this thread was for a specific question, which was answered.

Thread closed. (If a DM would lock it, I'd appreciate it. Or, just let everyone keep posting.)