OldBear - 10/14/2006 12:12 PMThis approach will aid me in how I approach his rp in the future.
Charisma is the couter-point to Wisdom. Whereas the latter is about force of will focused inward on one's self, Charisma is about the ability to impose one's will on others
Acacea - 10/13/2006 11:06 PMActually, I think the common view is that it has nothing to do with looks at all, which is going too far on the other side for me. Many people demand a separate 'appearance' attribute because they don't take into account the effect one's appearance has in the ability to exert one's will over others, even if unintentional.
There is a whole giant long repetitive thread lurking around that I would rather eat broccoli than bring up from the dead, but there's a lot about it there. This one summed it up pretty nicely with no demands for strictly one or the other but just acknowledges appearance as a relatively small factor in the whole charisma equation, rather than the main show, or something completely and totally unattached.
Ne'er - 10/15/2006 5:48 PM Quote Charisma is the couter-point to Wisdom. Whereas the latter is about force of will focused inward on one's self, Charisma is about the ability to impose one's will on others I really like how that is said.
d20 + Taunt + CHA bonus + modifiers -VS- d20 + 2 x ( Will + WIS bonus + Will save modifiers ) + other modifiers
Pankoki - 10/16/2006 10:51 PMActually those skills have an established way to counter them. At least the ones that appear in the official 3.5 material.For instance, Intimidate:"Your Intimidate check is opposed by the target’s modified level check (1d20 + character level or Hit Dice + target’s Wisdom bonus [if any] + target’s modifiers on saves against fear)."
DiegoBastet - 2/18/2007 5:59 PMJust had to post here, even so much time after the posting. Sometimes, in all these six years that I'm a GM, is just HARD to put wisdom for some players. Charisma tends to be easier, with clear examples, but wisdom... Pretty good.
Faldred - 2/23/2007 9:50 AMQuotePankoki - 10/16/2006 10:51 PMActually those skills have an established way to counter them. At least the ones that appear in the official 3.5 material.For instance, Intimidate:"Your Intimidate check is opposed by the target’s modified level check (1d20 + character level or Hit Dice + target’s Wisdom bonus [if any] + target’s modifiers on saves against fear)."I know this is a late reply, but what I don't like about that is that it makes no allowance for high/low Will saves, and is really only based on WIS directly. I still like the idea of dropping CL/HD in favor of 2 x base Will save -- I think that's more consistent with how spells and spell-like abilities are dealt with (the 2x modifier is just to balanced the increased DC due to the nature of how skill points are awarded/used).