What is the difference between a evil/lawful Rofi and a good/lawful Rofi?
might simply ignore certain information that might create an inconsistency that the opposition might use to get the accused off the hook.
a paragon of virtue and honor. Dedicate your life to justice, honor, and the pursuit of law and order.
Where is the honor and justice in lying? What makes the thug in gold better than the thug in black from the commoner's perspective? Aren't the thugs in black more powerful than the thugs in gold in Vehl, anyway?
He has managed to get to a position of judge in a place that has him presiding as the main judge for the region, so all cases come through him. In the course of a week he has the following criminals come through and these are the punishments given:Case #1- murder: Penalty- deathCase #2- assault: Penalty- deathCase #3- mugged someone in the street and stole all of their belongings: Penalty- deathCase #4- a man beat his wife because he caught her cheating. Penalty- Husband got a day in the stocks, wife was put to death for adultery.Case #5- Teenager stole food because she was hungry: Penalty- cut off handCase #6- Vigilante who was working in the streets, killing thugs was caught and brought to trial: Penalty- 20 gp fine.Was any law broken? No
several years of imprisonment
Vigilante who was working in the streets, killing thugs was caught and brought to trial: Penalty- 20 gp fine.
but I doubt it's anywhere close to being capable of correctly predict every single action in life, like you seem close to be expecting.
To me, it's not about anyone expecting any actions set out and predicted. No one wants a handbook of exactly what their character is expected to do. "What does the LN character do?" was not asked to get a writeup, but for comparison to the examples of a LE... and to illustrate that LE Rofireinite behavior often falls into the harsh side of LN - not "evil" enough for evil. Personally, all of the specific arguments about what evil might be able to get away with only say to me, "This is a gray interpretation of LN, because LN is not black and white, and sometimes justice is harsh." There are only 9 alignments, and an enormous array of concepts that fall within them, as you say. I agree. That's actually why I dislike the notion of LE Rofireinites - I feel like it must be so specific, so restrained, that it is no longer a viable alignment choice. It almost has to be laid out well in advance in order to not drift away from law or be too weak for evil, or at any point let emotion get in the way of justice. "If you need to have a complete written set of instructions of how you might be able to pull something off, it is no longer a good option for open creation."Additionally, I don't think making arguments based on writeups and expectations and observing where they do and do not make sense or contradict should be lumped together as speaking out of passion, which to me implies irrationality. Sometimes things make sense, sometimes they don't. Trying desperately to shove them in because an old rule from a different game says they should be allowed is not more reasonable than attempting to point out things that may need to be corrected. For a long time Rofirein did not allow LE priests (as several here remember, I know), and it was opened up just as adding a couple extra letters on a page; it has been awkward ever since. It just hasn't really gotten any better.
What's lying?
Going with the context you yourself use, would a paragon of virtue and honor use evidence he's not 100% sure about? Would he use it, and let the court decide whether it is admissable or not? If the court would admit it, and the doubt would still be lingering, would it still have been a good act? There's no yes or no, black or white in this.
By Filatus:It is this:All exculpatory (favorable against the accused) evidence must be disclosed and if you don't then its unethical, unjust and untruthful and against Divine Law. To not tell a truth is the same thing as telling an untruth.You are never 100% sure about anything, but you need to have a good faith basis for presenting any arguments. If you know evidence you subit to a court was planted on the defendant...that's not good faith. If you know an admission you got from a defendant was coerced out of duress...that's not good faith. If you make an argument to the court knowing the defense can not rebut because you failed to give them exculpatory evidence..that's not good faith.There really is no room for evil when it comes to "Divine Law"...they are in opposites.
But at the same time you ask in this thread to define a lawful neutral Rofi in a few words
If you look at the world we ourselves live in, you'll find that notions of virtue, honor and order are not neatly defined concepts. They're actually very ill defined concepts that are often something you aspire to be, rather than simply are. You'll find honor has a completely different meaning if you ask a Voraxite, and then a Rofirinite. So too, do these shades of grey exist within the Rofirinite faith. because in the end, they are only words.