the quest to be a dragons disciple

[scifibarbie]

Hiya guys,

So what are the specific criteria for becoming a dragon disciple within layo? Aside from knowing that its a very long process, and i though its considered an epic level PrC. How does one begin the slow arduous process of becoming one.

Once i meet the minimum requirements for nwn, do i then submit a plea with the powers that be and begin a really really long CDQ process (ie, a million little random cdqs) with the ultimate culmination?

Also, though the game listing is red dragon disciple, what about becoming a gold or silver dragon disciple?

I have never seen one in game, and was thinking about trying to become the first...maybe. Providing my pc survives given my track record! :\

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

hey, SciFi.  Nice to have you around again.

I don't know much, but since my PC is attempting something similar, I would guess these are just SOME of the things you MIGHT (key word) need to do:

• With a CDQ, you will have to have your PC discover his origins.  I would imagine the PC would need some sort of knowledge, even if it's vague, that he/she has dragon blood in them
• Learn Draconic.  This would be another CDQ, and means you need to find a way to make a big, scaly, and usually cranky dragon want to teach you its language.
• Reach level 20 so you can apply for WL.  Dragon Disciple has been stated to be a WL-PrC.  Since Dragons are both rare and crucial to the world of Layonara, unlocking the powers of a dragon in a PC is definately WLDQ material.  But how that PrC is unlocked does not have to be something purely "I wanna become a Red/Gold/Silver Dragon Disciple."  But don't worry about that now.
• Get involved in the Plot!  Dragons are central to the new plot.  Try to meet one.  ;)

[Acacea]

The dragon blood route is actually pretty unlikely. There are a lot of angles to hit any class, but it would probably be more of a physical Becoming than something deriving from old sorc/bard blood, which isn't a story that is all that present in Layo. The only RDD quest that's been run was something similar - becoming a disciple of Fisterion, not discovering he had dragon blood.

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

On that point, I defer to Acacea.  Yes, you don't have to have dragon blood, or have some other sort of ancestral relation to a dragon.  You could be Joe the Pipe Unclogger from Hempstead and still become a Dragon Discipline of some sort...  But I donno much beyond my own speculations...

[Dorganath]

You need to start a dialog with Leanthar and EdTheKet on this if you're serious about it. Anything that anyone else will tell you will bet at best incomplete and at worst inaccurate.

[lonnarin]

Might as well try though, as it's never been done before.  With Ozlo gone, Rofirien NEEDS some mortal advocates.

Farros has pondered signing up with Pyrtechon, but that would just make him moody and hateful which doesn't fit his character.  He prefers smart-arsed and bi-polar just fine!

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Ozlo was Katian I thought?

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

Might as well try though, as it's never been done before.

Be careful with that assumption...  I could be wrong (as usual) but I think Brac'ar might think otherwise.

[Acacea]

Brac doesn't have RDD levels (he's a wizard, anyway) and is not beholden to any dragons... so regardless of dragonesque qualities, the whole "first to take the PrC" thing is still applicable.

The only character to pass (or even take) an epic for RDD didn't bother to take the PrC levels. Heh.

[Gulnyr]

With Ozlo gone, Rofirien NEEDS some mortal advocates.

Ozlo was Katian (or otherwise associated with Katia), not Rofireinite, so things aren't much different now than before.  There may be Rofireinite dragons but I don't know; Jennara has never discussed religion with a dragon.

[Script Wrecked]

Might as well try though, as it's never been done before.  With Ozlo gone, Rofirien NEEDS some mortal advocates.

I think all the Rofiriens in their golden bright shiny armor might be a little offended at that.

[EdTheKet]

The whole bard/sorc dragon blood ancestry thing isn't something I am overly fond of, and as we're moving away from D&D anyway, it wouldn't be needed per se. But of course bound by NWN mechanics as we are, you'd still need to meet the prerequisites to take RDD.

Brac doesn't have RDD levels (he's a wizard, anyway) and is not beholden to any dragons... so regardless of dragonesque qualities, the whole "first to take the PrC" thing is still applicable.

Yep.

The only character to pass (or even take) an epic for RDD didn't bother to take the PrC levels. Heh.

Also correct


In a nutshell:
- you do not need to know draconic
- we only have RDD, no GDD, WDD, BDD, SDD or whatnot. Consequently, you need to get with Fisterion (or potentially one other )
- being Fisty's disciple would probaby bring some alignment consequences, as he's of course evil
- so to start off, your character probably does not even know of the existence of something like an RDD. So in order to want to become one, your char would need to be aware of it first. And then consider if it's something to pursue, and then pursue it.

[Xiaobeibi]

In a nutshell:
- you do not need to know draconic
- we only have RDD, no GDD, WDD, BDD, SDD or whatnot. Consequently, you need to get with Fisterion (or potentially one other )
- being Fisty's disciple would probaby bring some alignment consequences, as he's of course evil
- so to start off, your character probably does not even know of the existence of something like an RDD. So in order to want to become one, your char would need to be aware of it first. And then consider if it's something to pursue, and then pursue it.

What about the winged ones serving the emerald dragon and guarding things in the deep - are they half dragons, winged freaks or disciples? I.e. mechanically speaking they are made as RDDs (or ?) but how do we interpret them IC?

[EdTheKet]

What about the winged ones serving the emerald dragon and guarding things in the deep - are they half dragons, winged freaks or disciples? I.e. mechanically speaking they are made as RDDs (or ?) but how do we interpret them IC?

You interpret them as creatures with wings that guard things in the deep

How they are mechanically made is not relevant in my opinion.

[scifibarbie]

So heres one last question then.

If the PrC is more of a designation made by NWN and is more mechanical. Would it be possible to do the dragon disciple class without the assumption of the color of the dragon?

Ie. take the RDD class, but assume the dragon disciple earned it by way of another dragon? That way another whole PrC class doesnt need to be made mechanically, just assumed IG as if the character is Gold dragon or silver or what have you disciple?

That way no special skins have to be made and special programming done(as i have no clue how any of this is done I assume its a pain in the butt) anytime soon. Especially since its so hard to even be able to make the PrC in the first place by the time its even possible or even becomes a possibility things could be sorted out.

[Rowana]

So heres one last question then.

If the PrC is more of a designation made by NWN and is more mechanical. Would it be possible to do the dragon disciple class without the assumption of the color of the dragon?

Ie. take the RDD class, but assume the dragon disciple earned it by way of another dragon? That way another whole PrC class doesnt need to be made mechanically, just assumed IG as if the character is Gold dragon or silver or what have you disciple?

That way no special skins have to be made and special programming done(as i have no clue how any of this is done I assume its a pain in the butt) anytime soon. Especially since its so hard to even be able to make the PrC in the first place by the time its even possible or even becomes a possibility things could be sorted out.

I think all of the above is answered in Ed's previous post quoted here.

           

In a nutshell:
- you do not need to know draconic
- we only have RDD, no GDD, WDD, BDD, SDD or whatnot. Consequently, you need to get with Fisterion (or potentially one other   )
- being Fisty's disciple would probaby bring some alignment consequences, as he's of course evil
- so to start off, your character probably does not even know of the existence of something like an RDD. So in order to want to become one, your char would need to be aware of it first. And then consider if it's something to pursue, and then pursue it.

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 Venturing out on a limb here, I'd guess there are lore reasons that this is the present conditions for RDD and why there are no other types of Dragon Disciples.

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[EdTheKet]

Venturing out on a limb here, I'd guess there are lore reasons that this is the present conditions for RDD and why there are no other types of Dragon Disciples.

No lore, reasons, purely the programming as an RDD gets a fire breath, which may not necessarily be appropriate if another type of dragon is used.

Will touch base with Leanthar though.

[ShiffDrgnhrt]

So by that reasoning, if you wanted, you could create new PrCs to facilitate other "Dragon Disciple" types.  But since anything remotely "Dragon Disciple"-esque is a chore in itself to accomplish, there would be no point UNLESS someone went about achieving something through a WLDQ.  Am I close?  You did say it's purely NWN, so it's not 'impossible' from a world-lore standpoint.

[Dorganath]

So by that reasoning, if you wanted, you could create new PrCs to facilitate other "Dragon Disciple" types.  But since anything remotely "Dragon Disciple"-esque is a chore in itself to accomplish, there would be no point UNLESS someone went about achieving something through a WLDQ.  Am I close?  You did say it's purely NWN, so it's not 'impossible' from a world-lore standpoint.

Speaking only to the programming end of things, yes, it's potentially a pain and not likely to be done for general purposes from this perspective alone, especially if each sort of Dragon Disciple would have distinct/different properties (which IMHO they should if such a thing were to be done). But then a Dragon Disciple of any sort would be a WLDQ outcome, and achievable through no other means, so the "no point" comment is both accurate and redundant.

Another part of our issue with this is the fire breath itself, in that there is only one PC-compatible dragon breath graphics resource that looks right, and that is fire (as it was designed for the RDD PrC).  While possible to use other dragon breath VFX, the problem is that they originate from above the PC's head, as they're intended to come from a dragon's mouth, and they tend to be large.  Trust me...they look sort of silly that way.

As for administratively, I'm not commenting.

[EdTheKet]

I've discussed with Leanthar, and we will not be adding any more types of 'dragon disciples' simple because we are leaving D&D.