Well for playing a cleric ( although powerless at this point) the player can always check the deity relation. The opposing player or anyone around him, has absolutely no clue that it is being done and it can also be done before raising a dead character. The cleric on the other hand, has no idea who the character he just prayed on, specifically follows. He only see if he is allied, friendly, neutral, unfriendly or enemy. Hence if lex casted deity relation on Lucius, all he would know is that he is an enemy, he wouldn't know from which enemy God, but he would know who his enemies are.What you are essentially proposing if I am not mistaken is that the spell be made an automation, hence more coding. Now you have to remember that the spell in it self, RP wise is not a spell, It's a feeling that the cleric has casted down by his god. Basically what I mean by that, is that if the cleric would approach some one that is evil, through his God, he would sense that this person follows an evil God. Call it constant communication between the cleric and his God.Basically, as long as the Cleric and the opposing player remember that the spell is not a spell and can not be seen (even if there is a animation for it) it is very subtle. It falls to the player to then rp properly their deity relationship or suffer the consequences that their God have in store for such offenses.
Meanwhile Sulterio has no friends, so all those priests in Prantz see the enemy wherever they look... no wonder they just simply banned all religion except their own! Rofirien likes them however, and if he be the god of justice, then justice truly be madness, heh
Well, nobody ever detects alignment with this spell, so clerics automatically assuming somebody worships Corath or Pyrtechon are making a huge leap of speculation. Bear in mind that many LG gods are apposed for some reason to NG gods and that some, like Dorand and Grannoch, are the same general alingment but hate eachother racially. So if somebody casts this spell and screams "corathite!" in the middle of town square, odds are they are metagaming still. I'd love to see a layman Aeridenite for example who decides he looks more slim wearing black, and to have a Voraxian zealot charge him with being a Corathite. Meanwhile Sulterio has no friends, so all those priests in Prantz see the enemy wherever they look... no wonder they just simply banned all religion except their own! Rofirien likes them however, and if he be the god of justice, then justice truly be madness, heh.The key thing with this spell is for clerics not to metagame past what it directly tells you and leap to a false conclusion. All it states is how much YOUR god likes THEIRS, not even visa versa. Hence Farros for example gets spat upon by clerics of Folian who refuse to heal him, when whenever Farros looks at them Xeen says she loves Folian. I would suggest that clerics use this ability as a loose guide at best, for one, they could be looking down at a truly friendly person for little reason other than Shadon put the whoopie cushion under their god's butt 30,000 years ago. Secondly, this spell will never determine alignment! Remember that cleric alignments shift slightly from gods, and other followers of strong faith might not even have the same alignment at all... just look at all those CG and CN Voraxian Battleragers! Plenty of Corathite Black Wizards are far more lawful than their brethren, and even a few could be labelled amoral rather than immoral. There are even LE Rofirienites out there! How does Toran ally with that? Furthermore, there are millions of faithless out there spanning all the alignments... so dont for a second breathe easy if somebody turns out to be "neutral" to your god... lest you wind up with Ogzug who honestly should be enemy to every single god there is since he hates them all with a passion.So yeah, while it shows one specific relationship it is hardly omniscience. The clerics who think it tells all will be sorely reminded of their folly the next time they come across an evil rofirienite, a good shadonite, chaotic or evil Voraxian, etc. David Koresh, Jim Jones, Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Reverend Phelps all WORSHIPPED the same God of Abraham... how LG were they? Just because somebody worships the same god as you, doesn't make them any less dangerous to you. In fact, those are often the bloodiest of conflicts, when sectarian violence breaks out and both sides consider eachother wicked heretics.
# Enemy: * Pyrtechon * Shadon * Branderback * Toran * Corath * Baraeon Ca'Duz * Vierdri'iraNow there may be more but I just clicked on a few and as you see, all enemies of these dieties are evil. (you will notice Toran on the list but naturally every Toranite will be decked in their gods apparel....all of the rest will not).
Remember that the "spell" STILL does not say anything about feelings towards a Character... and also think about this...Wouldn't Corathite Priest get the same feeling from a Toranite as a Toranite gets from a Corathite? I doubt it works one way...And again, do not take something that might be unique to your situation and assume its true for everyone... You know what Situation I mean... Yer the only Corathite I know thats friendly with a Toranite... Shiff used to follow Beryl, who Toran also hates... It was a quite different situation...
[LORE]Rofirein[/LORE] is Unfriendly with Sulterio, Lonn, just so you know
Actually Krell, the player doesn't know you are evil. He knows your char follows an Evil God. There is a major distinction in there. Again it falls onto the Player not to go with ooc info unfortunately. The spells doesn't hand out the Alignment of lucius.
Maybe not so drastic..... But I mean, currently as its played I shake a clerics hand and he gets a bad feeling and nightmares, I mean...what am I lord of the nine hells :S.
(just keeps picturing Sulterio following around Pyrtechon pestering him in the hells asking him over and over like an adoring hyperactive kid to let him ride his back, swim in his gold pile, help him kill Toran... with the Red Dragon dismissing him annoyedly like that Warner Brother's Sheepdog... "nah... *smack*")
hehe if you check again I said they will know you follow an evil godBut great discussion so far, it's good to bring out some things to the open, I hope some others add to it .
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