Polak76 - 12/14/2006 3:25 PMThis topic is always an interesting one.Anyway rather than power building, how many characters on leveling-up actually pick feats or skills that they used prior to leveling. eg, a rogue goes around hunting with a group of adventurers, levels up and takes hide, MS & Open Lock, yet at level 5 hasn't even used any of these skills yet. Then to top it off he takes two weapon fighing at lvl 6 yet has used a bow since level 1.How many of us do that? How many of us actually develop to the environment?I know alot of you will put your hand up and claim you do but I've only met a minority, an extreme minority that actually do. From a point of view this can also be termed as powergaming.
[Dual Weilding example]Today I had a hand at dual weilding a weapon. I found it streneous to say the least...having to concentrate using two blades at the same time. I tried positioning the blades correctly so that I can slice my opponents and block their blades effective. I think its high time that I find myself a tutor that I can do this.
memilies - 12/15/2006 3:40 PMQuotePolak76 - 12/14/2006 3:25 PMThis topic is always an interesting one.Anyway rather than power building, how many characters on leveling-up actually pick feats or skills that they used prior to leveling. eg, a rogue goes around hunting with a group of adventurers, levels up and takes hide, MS & Open Lock, yet at level 5 hasn't even used any of these skills yet. Then to top it off he takes two weapon fighing at lvl 6 yet has used a bow since level 1.How many of us do that? How many of us actually develop to the environment?I know alot of you will put your hand up and claim you do but I've only met a minority, an extreme minority that actually do. From a point of view this can also be termed as powergaming.No this is just going to far! I mean before you take two weapon fighting, it's useless to try to do it, and you will be no good in fighting at all. try it some against harmless enemies for role playing purposes, okay, but are you really going into a real fight (even with goblins) with weapons that simply will not hit? Also a level 5 rogue has barely had a chance to pick a lock in layo, does that mean he's not allowed to put points in the skill? and then many skills don't work well until you get higher numbers, including hide, and a player only has to try and fail a few times to know that. in fact i think most people with hide skill practice it plenty so that they can know what to expect, it's one of those things you really don't want to have fail on you!and also in the 2-weapon fighting case, why would you call that cheating when there are so many similar feats (the majority really i would say) like knockdown or rapid shot, that you couldn't practice if you wanted to? it's not like you can pretend to cleave until you have the feat, why say taking one that you can do (but in a way that is totally uneffective) has to be done that way?
memilies - 12/15/2006 4:47 PMI would never say don't do it, and if it makes it a better experience for you then i hope you do! But there was the implication that if you don't role play towards the skills you will have later you are doing it wrong. It's the "you are doing it wrong" that I am objecting to..!Remember some of us are still discovering along the way, and some don't know the game inside and out... I don't know what feats I will pick until I see the list and even then it's a coin toss usually... not every one has a "plan", not everyone making a choice you wouldn't do personally is "wrong"...
memilies - 12/14/2006 10:47 PMconsidering i've travelled with chmmr as a cleric quite a few times, i feel slightly targeted by this thread itself too
I am not pleased with the way this thread was brought up nor with the way the original author returned to make sniping comments at the other posters.
This is what I do and it works well for me, you should try it
Chnmmr - 12/15/2006 4:20 AMQuoteI am not pleased with the way this thread was brought up nor with the way the original author returned to make sniping comments at the other posters.Like I said, I am sorry I thought I could bring up a discussion about something I thought was very important for the welfare of a roleplay server.... guess not. Nor was I targetting anyone, infact all the people so far who have said they feel 'targeted' should not be as they play their clerics very well in my eyes (whether I like the character or not IC is a different matter )People should stop taking posts so personally and see what is trying to be said in them. If my post -really- bothers you then maybe it struck a chord? All I have been saying is that wizards should not be up front outfighting the warriors (there is a reason they have d4 hp and poor attack progression) and if you are with a party of good clerics it shouldnt be a dream to expect at least 'some' healing to come from them, afterall good and neutral clerics can spontaneously convert to healing spells. Yes I know the Tensers spell is a standard spell, doesn't mean it's right. I really do think the Tenser spell turns wizards into something they -shouldn't- be, frontliners.And so again, its sad when a player can't make a suggestion in a simple honest way without seeing half the playerbase get insulted and staff showing disdain of the thread. QuoteThis is what I do and it works well for me, you should try it That doesnt work in my experience. People generally don't heed advice that makes them appear weaker, whatever server one plays on.
Eight-Bit - 12/15/2006 2:13 PMI don't think this thread can go in any other direction but a flame war from here.