Witch Hunter - 2/10/2007 11:43 AMI doubt Drow, even united, could face all Elves united for example - it would be an even match.The surface elves are just as skilled in magic and warfare and in any other aspect.True that - those sent to the Surface are the elitest of the elite, but seriously how many of them do you think there are? theres a reason why Drows send "raiding parties" and not "raiding armies" :pNot all drows know the Silent language, not all drows are as skilled... etc etc.I don't think i'm underestimating drow, I think you're underestimating the surface world.As for pairing drow with mind flayers... hardly! A drow is something you can charge and attack (TECHNICALLY, if you snap the neck of a 20 level character and you're level 1... he still dies :p) A mindflayer would stop you before you made your first move, paralyze you and suck your brain out.But again - all you're doing is PROVING my point.Drow are NOT to be trusted because they are a powerful, sinister and evil race! - but as for my character, i much rather draw swords than run away crying like a baby - level or no level, he grew up with values.Hector on the other hand...
Stephen_Zuckerman - 2/10/2007 9:49 PMI think my favorite spawn ever was in the Great Rift. It was a Drow Sorcerer... The description read something like this:This sinister-looking drow holds a black staff, and is covered in magical wards. But he must be friendly, because all the Drow from Hlint are! (Correct me on this; I know it's not quite right.)
Witch Hunter - 2/10/2007 2:43 PMI doubt Drow, even united, could face all Elves united for example - it would be an even match.The surface elves are just as skilled in magic and warfare and in any other aspect.True that - those sent to the Surface are the elitest of the elite, but seriously how many of them do you think there are? theres a reason why Drows send "raiding parties" and not "raiding armies" :pNot all drows know the Silent language, not all drows are as skilled... etc etc.I don't think i'm underestimating drow, I think you're underestimating the surface world.As for pairing drow with mind flayers... hardly! A drow is something you can charge and attack (TECHNICALLY, if you snap the neck of a 20 level character and you're level 1... he still dies :p) A mindflayer would stop you before you made your first move, paralyze you and suck your brain out.But again - all you're doing is PROVING my point.Drow are NOT to be trusted because they are a powerful, sinister and evil race! - but as for my character, i much rather draw swords than run away crying like a baby - level or no level, he grew up with values.Hector on the other hand...
Weeblie - 2/10/2007 11:43 PMI didn't say that most people say that drow are on their top 10 fear list (as, obviously, most PCs don't have them as such), but rather that if you walk around asking the WLs, you will notice that they are generally not so very fond of drows and rather careful around them (rule nr 1: never trust a drow!) (...)
Dark Elves are known to be evil, this is not speculation, this is a fact:The Dark Elves have a millennia spanning history of War and Destruction. Bear in mind that there was a great Betrayal around -2311 which led the elves to separate (see the timeline). Agreed, this is almost 3700 years ago, but since elves can live to about 700 years, this is hardly long ago from an elvish perspective. So throwing the past away because it is long ago and elves and dark elves hating each other is stereotypical, does not really apply if you look at it from this perspective.If we go forward in time, the Dark Elves captured the human city of Westgate in the year -103 (see the timeline), they destroyed the city of Port Hampshire in the year 843 (see the timeline, this is only about 500 years ago). I am sure if you ask several characters in Hlint, they can tell you the towns of Hlint and Haven were also nearly destroyed by the Dark Elves in the not-too-distant past. They also tried to stop all crafting by destroying and blowing up nearly every crafting location in Mistone.Then at the end of last year or so (real-time) they laid siege to Hlint and nearly occupied it.Then more recently, they started capturing people, poisoning them with a poison that will kill them if they oppose the drow. They then proceeded to lay siege to Spellgard, occupy it for a few weeks, then left after getting whatever it was they needed. Therefore, treating them with an amount of distrust or even hostility is judging them on their past which is filled with evil deeds. Claiming your character doesn't know about drow is very hard to justify. Dark Elves have been committing evil acts for millennia. This will have worked their way into local folklore, for example, when your character was a child he was probably told by his parents things like “Do not stray from home too far, else the Dark elves will take you” or something along those lines. So your character has probably heard all his/her life that Dark Elves are greedy, dangerous, treacherous creatures who attack whenever they can and then as an adventurer you have surely been on quests where Dark Elves were involved (as enemies) or heard stories of such adventures.
LightlyFrosted - 2/12/2007 8:23 AM A slightly different take on the racial struggles is this: while there are evil drow, and a goodly number, the average Hlintian sees them on a significantly less frequent basis than he or she would see, say.. the threescore or so good-alligned drow that are rebels, trying to outlive their racial heritage. Partly due to allignment restrictions and similar, we have the primary interaction between characters who are Hlinting and drow-kind being one of good-or-neutral characters with good-or-neutral characters. It is therefore the RARE drow that most PC's (at least of a lower, non-underdark-exploring level) that is evil, with notable exceptions coming in the form of the multiple drow invasions of Hlint, which, while not exactly rare, are far from common. Thus, when one rationalizes a character's reactions, one has to take into account the fact that while initially a character would be startled or shocked to see drow wandering the streets (of Hlint, especially), such sights would grow both commonplace and mundane, as they are frequently exposed to non-evil drow. In fact, if one carries this to its logical conclusion, the many PC's who have NOT experienced drow culture first-hand would likely begin to see the drow to whom they are exposed regularly (i.e. good-alligned rebels) to be the norm, and the moderately-infrequent dark-elf invasions of Hlint to be the exception. Just a thought.
LightlyFrosted - 2/11/2007 1:12 PMWhile I agree that it shouldn't be that way, I was simply pointing out that it may be a reason that bias against drowkind isn't really expressed all that often. People most often encounter good or neutral alligned drow, and therefore form their characters predjudices upon this basis.
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