To the lazy corn collector

[osxmallard]

Kill your ant spawn.  I'd say where, but I can't post CNR locations in the forums.  

In general, is it acceptable practice to collect the CNR from an area and then high tail it out
of there, leaving the creatures for others to kill (or be killed by)?  I just find it a nuisance having
to clean up others spawns because they were either too lazy or couldn't defeat their spawn.

Examples:  
1.  sugar cane - ogres that start to roam onto road and all over map once spawned
2.  corn - ants that start to roam all over the map once spawned

[iceyfire]

Love being a Wizard Addy , one spell lots of dead antys

[mixafix]

doesn't ants, ogres  etc wandering add some element of unexpected to the game...as a side issue to your point about people being lazy or whatever...trailing them to transit can create a game mechanic problem, (ie death on arrival etc) but extra..unusual creatures on the journey occassionally ...keeps us all sharp ...or dead of course. But surely if you expect encounters of type a in place b..and anything else is not welcome...not sure thats the best this game can deliver.

[stragen]

What about character who sneak in and out to collect materials?  
Or characters who prefer not to kill (we know who you are) and charm the local wildlife.
They also generate a spawn.  
I think both of those are a valid style of play.

[Blackguy]

I do the same, I invis myself, and collect the corn. The ants spawn, but I dont kill them. Ive always done this. The same with the sugar canes.

[Filatus]

*nods* Me too. In general I do not kill spawns unnecessary. Just doesn't make sense to me.

[Pibemanden]

I also go invisible after almost any cnr where it is possible, except sand. Doesn't really make sence for Storold to kill something just because he is able to.

[Ne'er]

SOmetimes you don't have to go to the spawn itself to trigger them. Just near the area. The sugar spawn you're talking about I believe just spawns ogres when you are in the area, and sometimes those ogres go a little close to the road. Like it has been said, its one element of the game and you have to be prepared for wandering monsters.

[osxmallard]

Got it.  Thanks for the replies.  

[SuperMunch]

Freldo is not a crazy corn collector!  He has a corn fetish.  

Err... hmmm... yeah, it might be me.

Freldo will wait for Addison at the arena for a proper smacking.  

[darkstorme]

Well, and bear in mind that there are those who want the CNR but CAN'T handle the guardians in a gloves-down fight.  I am thinking specifically of Rogues, here.  Sneak Attack is good for about one ogre, and then a scroll of expeditious retreat would come in very handy.  Ah, for First-Ed D&D, where a rogue could conceivably talk their way out of such a situation... nowadays, they get just about enough time to say "Now, wait a minute..*gak*!"

[aragwen]

Darkstorme, using a scroll of expeditious would be fine to get out of a tight spot to quickly run away (not changing area by using transistions), heal and re-engage in battle.
  But using expeditious or fast movement like haste, monk, barbarian, horse speed to get away from spawns once they have seen you would mean they would follow you till they loose perceptional view of you, which is usually transistions and then stand there waiting for another unsuspecting person to stumble across them.
  That is clearly against server rules.
  Sneaking or using invisibility to gather CNR would spawn the creatures and they might wander a bit, but seldomly would the stand on the transistion waiting for someone.
  The other thing about sneaking is that there is always a risk associated to it as the creature might just smell, hear or see you (read spot check), so it is not without risk.

[darkstorme]

*L*  I was being facetious. First of all, I've never seen a scroll of expeditious retreat, either in Layo or, for that matter, in any iteration of NWN.  Second, I'm perfectly aware it's against server rules - but you might note my reference to 1st Ed. D&D, which has no bearing on Layo either.  I was speaking in a roleplaying sense; travelling as a lone rogue would kill you pretty quickly in traditional tabletop gaming as well - having a scroll of expeditious retreat could save your life, as it's MEANT to do.

I work hard to abide by server rules, and wouldn't dream of using that tactic in-game.. not to mention the fact that taking the time to cast the scroll would probably result in my immediate and unfortunate demise, as well.  Attacks of opporunity are invariably lethal when you're a solo rogue.

And as for the latter - of course there is a risk.  Even with invisibility, there's a risk (opposed Listen checks, and the Blindfight feat).  I've read the Handbook cover to cover, the manual, the Grimoire, and all three primary sourcebooks for 3.5 Ed. *grins*  Kell is a stealth specialist - he can't very well show off unless there's some risk.

Regardless, my apologies for the vehemence of my response, but your tone was vaguely accusatory, and I wanted to reassure that I wouldn't dream of spoiling the game for others.  If Kell draws the attention of enemies beyond his abilities, he might call for help, but he'll stand his ground even as they bear down on him.

[aragwen]

*smiles* no worries.
  And I was not throwing accusations around, just merely pointing out that, that sort of tactic would not be acceptable. Even though you dont use it, many would read it and think "oh great tactic, let me use it". So just making sure that it is clear.
  And by the way those scrolls do exist.
  Have fun!

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

They do exist; I have quite a few.

But in any case, I have to side with the people who think that a few wandering monsters add to the game. Knowing exactly where everything is, all the time, gets boring. Even Dregar can seem safe, if you know it well enough, no matter what level you are.

[osxmallard]

In that case, if you are spotted by something while collecting CNR, do you have to stay and fight/die?

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

Nope. But you can't lead it to/through an AT. That's all.