Author Topic: Gold as well as EXP (Read 1922 times)

NEXUS7 · « **on:** April 12, 2006, 04:54:50 AM »

I dont know why but after being on a fow qwests now each of which gave me good RP and some nice EXP
I have never as yet found any stuff or gold. UNlike PnP games where you find things in game on layo
one just get a lump of EXP as the end from the nice GM would be cool to get less XP but more gold and loot.

At the end it could be OK here some Exp each (as per your level) and O look you found on your travels
X amount of coin and a few magic items.

or have I just missed the games where thats the case?

Nexus7

NEXUS7 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2006, 05:11:19 AM »

Sorry can this post be moved to NWN Ideas, Suggestions, Requests I put it in the wrong list Dooowww

Acacea · « **Reply #2 on:** April 12, 2006, 07:21:36 AM »

I don't really want to have some stuff handed to me at the end of a quest like, "Oh hey, look what you found that you totally didn't know you had until just this weird suspended moment in time! How convenient!" If you find something in your travels, er well, you'll find it in your travels. Eg the gold the monsters drop on the way, is that not "loot?" Or I mean if you're hunting for buried treasure, and you find some, you'll get it then, right? Not just tossed randomly at you after it's done.

There are also sometimes quest rewards in items given on some, either in the big scary boss-room where you find whatever funky item, or an obscure souvenir tossed at you...or whatever. It happens, but even then, the "loot" is never the point of the quest ending.

Dorganath · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2006, 07:37:46 AM »

We actually want less gold in the economy, not more, so handing out gold at the end of a quest is probably not going to happen. Likewise, we're not typically going to have "treasure chest" quests like one might have had in PnP games.
In quests where there's a lot of combat, looting will get you some gold...some times a lot. But also keep in mind that the primary reason you're there is not to loot but to RP.

Eight-Bit · « **Reply #4 on:** April 12, 2006, 07:53:03 AM »

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NEXUS7 - 4/12/2006 7:54 AM I dont know why but after being on a fow qwests now each of which gave me good RP and some nice EXP I have never as yet found any stuff or gold. UNlike PnP games where you find things in game on layo one just get a lump of EXP as the end from the nice GM would be cool to get less XP but more gold and loot. At the end it could be OK here some Exp each (as per your level) and O look you found on your travels X amount of coin and a few magic items. or have I just missed the games where thats the case? Nexus7

The days of item rewards are far gone I am afraid. You are about two years too late for that.

Milo · « **Reply #5 on:** April 12, 2006, 07:58:21 AM »

I give out gold on my quests only when NPCs promised them payment for their work. Gold pieces just don't magically appear, really.

Pibemanden · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2006, 07:58:35 AM »

I have only experience one DM-run quest with item rewards and that was the battle of Stone. Two scarabs of protection where given out there, all other quests have been xp only. If items or gp where given out on a regular basis the economy would suffer greatly.

NEXUS7 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2006, 03:23:30 PM »

Acacea -> It happens, but even then, the "loot" is never the point of the quest ending.

I must disagre so you wade throw loads of bad guys just to get a nice EXP bit, come on
I have had this chat about being stuck at 9th level and all the post back said

Hay do GM games then you get XP then Levels then can see more of Layo world, do more.

Now your say what, The XP dos not matter.

come on, we have all played PnP and you know and good game knows that to hind out loot
at the end as rewareds for good indavitual RP is part and posel of gameing.

NEXUS7 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2006, 03:29:16 PM »

Dorganath-> "We actually want less gold in the economy, not more, so handing out gold at the end of a quest is probably not going to happen.
I think your dead wrong all the higher level PCs have all the gold, they swon around thorw 100000 at each other, but we low levels have to scrip and save to get
4 or 5k what is wrong with giveing a low level PC some coin after finding the a so rear Low level GM game, If you think not have a look at the GM games
see how many are for Levels 3 to 7

NEXUS7 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2006, 03:34:18 PM »

I think that shuting down more than EX as the rewares fro low level PC's is wrong, 5k to a 6 level PC means a lot, and handing out some
small magic items. Would that brake the world have giveing 4 to 6 hours of real world time to Layo

SquareKnot · « **Reply #10 on:** April 18, 2006, 03:41:28 PM »

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Dorganath - 4/12/2006 8:37 AM In quests where there's a lot of combat, looting will get you some gold...some times a lot. But also keep in mind that the primary reason you're there is not to loot but to RP.

Just a question on quest etiquette -- is it OK to loot on quests? On all those I've attended, for the most part the bodies were just left there, untouched. I've seen other players, and have myself, walked away from several 1000 GPs (total for the group) because no one seemed to want to broach the "looting" subject. I just assumed that it was a no-no and took too much away from the flow of the quest.

Acacea · « **Reply #11 on:** April 18, 2006, 04:13:58 PM »

That depends on the quest--there's no rule against looting bodies on them, or anything. If you're on a race against the clock and its some tense high drama scene in which you're making a dash for it, though, the first person to go "who's looting?" is likely going to be shot. Or at least I'll think about it. And ICly, they will be dragged by the hair away from them.

It's not because grabbing the gold is wrong or something, it just depends on what you're worrying about at the time. I know that I've seen tons of bodies fall and be left behind with gold on them because we were so busy trying to stay alive and mess with puzzles and the like that they were simply forgotten about. I don't think anyone would begrudge someone snagging some on the way by, or all of it if they're fast enough, but often there isn't enough time to hang around waiting for someone to rummage through the pockets of corpses.

On the other hand, sometimes there is time, and people kill them all and leave the bodies, when there is more than just gold to be found. If time and attitudes permit, I'd just as soon search them all with a search check as well as taking the gold.

Edit- Also, for some types it is completely in character to be worrying about the gold while the world is ending.

Acacea · « **Reply #12 on:** April 18, 2006, 04:45:50 PM »

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NEXUS7 - 4/18/2006 3:23 PM Acacea -> It happens, but even then, the "loot" is never the point of the quest ending. I must disagre so you wade throw loads of bad guys just to get a nice EXP bit, come on I have had this chat about being stuck at 9th level and all the post back said Hay do GM games then you get XP then Levels then can see more of Layo world, do more. Now your say what, The XP dos not matter. come on, we have all played PnP and you know and good game knows that to hind out loot at the end as rewareds for good indavitual RP is part and posel of gameing.

(I have rephrased this somewhat since it was just coming across as a preachy rant. It's much less concise than I would like, but shortening it further comes off like a bullet to the head or something. Also...most of this was basically said in the previous posts, but seemed to have some sort of misunderstanding.) It seems like you really just took a single sentence from a post, and misinterpreted it to mean something that was not even mentioned. Yes, quests are really the only way to level; it's still true, and should be. They are also the sole reason why mine is the level she's at right now instead of still being level 8. Yes, it's nice to do so, because everyone likes to feel as if they are making progress. My exact quote (which is up there), is that the "loot" is not the point of the quest ending, which it is not. Neither is the XP. Yes, it's great. No, that's not why we're stuck in some smelly dungeon. If that is the sole reason you are on a quest, just inform me beforehand so that I can find another, because that generally makes for something of a drag. All of the ones that I attend regularly now, I would happily attend with no xp reward, no gold, no magic items, whatever. I also mentioned that in most cases, it doesn't make sense for things to be handed out in a bundle at the end. If you pick up the gold from things killed, great. That's where your money comes from. If you are handed more at the end (and not because an NPC promised payment), where did that come from? You...picked it up from the monsters. Wait no, those have the gold ON them and can be looted. Where did the item come from? There are usually no giant chests at the end of the room with stuff in it for everyone. Sometimes, as already mentioned, items are handed out afterwards. Rarely. It happens, people roll for it (unless its a specific reward for whatever), items are had. Sometimes, also rarely, things are found during the quest, because they were there to be found. I personally prefer things to be worked into stories and roleplay, not tossed at me afterwards because I kept saying it wasn't fair that I was broke or something. Because... Gold is very easy to get, and there is a ton of it around. I say that as a player whose ONLY character rarely has even a thousand gold. It's not "I have multiple characters and am complaining because for some strange reason, they don't each get a lot of time devoted to them," it's "This is my main and only character who gets all of my time, who is consistently broke." If she were less lazy, she could do some serious gold gathering, because it is very-easy-to-do. It takes minimal effort. So no, I don't "wade through loads of bad guys" just to get a nice xp chunk. I wade through bad guys because the quest in which it happens is challenging and a good time, not to mention a great deal more complicated than a simple bash session. I'll also add that I don't at all mind small things given out, like little flavor items that are mostly just, as I said, obscure souvenirs, and not your next sword of smiting. Or, as in the cases with epic rewards, that symbolize some kind of character progression. I like these examples, because they have something to do with the quest and/or character development, not because it was tossed at me for no reason at the end. <disclaimer>I am not in any way coming down on people who enjoy progression and rewards, since we all do and that is a simple fact. I am only stating that each quest has its own purpose beyond hunting for gold or loot, and that in a few cases, I have found that the purpose, and the time and roleplay spent fulfilling it, was a better reward than the XP, gold, or items--and that that reward is my favorite kind.</disclaimer>

twidget658 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2006, 05:40:47 PM »

http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19256&posts=15&mid=117665&highlight=loot&highlightmode=1&action=search#M117665

Another thread on looting on quests. It is not much but it does get the point across. Read G-452's post.

Dorganath · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2006, 06:30:27 PM »

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NEXUS7 - 4/18/2006 5:29 PM Dorganath-> "We actually want less gold in the economy, not more, so handing out gold at the end of a quest is probably not going to happen.
I think your dead wrong all the higher level PCs have all the gold, they swon around thorw 100000 at each other, but we low levels have to scrip and save to get 4 or 5k what is wrong with giveing a low level PC some coin after finding the a so rear Low level GM game, If you think not have a look at the GM games see how many are for Levels 3 to 7

Respectfully, I am not "dead wrong". My own main character, at 20th level, has never had more than 40,000 GP in the bank ever after more than a year and a half playing here. He's an alchemist, and a pretty good one, but alchemy isn't really all that profitable. Were he more ambitious I'm sure he could have haggled bargained his way to riches, but he isn't, and he hasn't. He also very rarely gets any coins or loot from quests, and if he does, it's just a few hundred gold. I know of characters half my level who have 5 times more gold than I have now...which is less than 20K.
I don't go on quests for the gold, the loot or the XP really, but because they're fun and they're much more interesting than running around Mistone gathering CNR.
The problem of the Layonara economy is something I and others have worked to keep in balance here, which means instituting some kind of controls while allowing a free market to thrive. Generally, we seek ways to remove gold from the economy but to do so in a way that is not overly burdensome. One thing we won't be doing, however, is artificially adding gold back into the economy...sorry. There are already enough ways to earn gold.

vgn · « **Reply #15 on:** April 18, 2006, 07:35:54 PM »

There have been some good points here and I doubt I'm adding much, but just a few straight to the point.

1. On PnP loot at the end of quests vs. NWN/Layo. I believe what you are speaking of is the common practice any many PnP gaming groups to have the GM just keep track of the "loot" found during a quest/session and at the end of the session when handing out xp the loot is also handed out and devided. This does not happen in NWN/Layo because the intrinsic way the gaming engine works is loot, both gold and items, are dropped on what you kill and can be picked up.

2. On looting during quests. I see no reason not to loot on quests, especially if that is something your character is concerned with. Now you have to be prepared though that if you are looting or looting excessively and in a blatant manner some people may chastise you, especially if it's getting in the way or during an intense moment. If you are running around during a battle and doing nothing to help fight and instead grabbing as much stuff as you can while others fight, it's going to make people mad. If you just finish a fight and it ends because the important NPC (good or bad) is there and talking with the group, it's probably not a great idea to be running around grabbing stuff when people are trying to interact. Other than that though, then go ahead and grab some if you want. Now what you may be thinking of is often at the beginning of a quest I'll hear people talking about who will loot on the quest. Here is where in my opinion things are different on a quest. When you are in a group with some folks you often get a looter who will split later. On a quest though, it's usually more catch as catch can. Those that want loot will take some, those that don't won't. If you are greedy then you'll likely be called on it, but then again that may not matter or may lead to some RP.

3. On gold amounts. As someone with characters ranging all over the map as far as levels. None of my characters are rich, but none of them have any trouble getting the gold they need to buy things they want. It's insane for anyone to say it's hard to get gold on this server. In Hlint alone you have the crypts. Granted it's boring, but even a low level can run through the crypts and clean them out. You can get around 1000+ gold in one trip. If that's just the low level area in Hlint, you can get even more elsewhere with little to no effort. If you don't have gold or can't get the gold you need then you are just not trying.

Weeblie · « **Reply #16 on:** April 19, 2006, 01:52:13 AM »

Also have to add that the "monsters killed/hour" value is exteremly low on most of the quests I've been on so far (i.e. all except for the bash-quest I was on). In a single 5 hour session, we kill... 15 enemies? 20? Yes... something like that... Looting hasn't really been of a big issue.

miltonyorkcastle · « **Reply #17 on:** April 19, 2006, 07:05:40 AM »

I have to confirm the bit about making money. That is, even for a level 7 character, I know of numerous places that he/she can walk away with 2000 gold, just from monster killing. And if you add any card playing or crafting to that, you can make plenty of money very quickly. You just have to be willing to put the time into it. Cole has never had more than 35 k at one time in the bank, mostly because he spends money as fast as he gets it. So, yes, he's seen hundreds of thousands of gold, but doesn't just sit on it, nor has he ever spent more than 30k at one time. And he's worked very hard (months RL, years IG) to establish his name as a mercenary and get-man. The idea of other rewards besides XP from quests has been discussed before, and basically, it's been decided it's unnecessary and just soaks up time at the end, and often disrupts immersion, as you've read in the above posts.

NEXUS7 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2006, 04:57:02 AM »

Acacea -> "I have rephrased this somewhat since it was just coming across as a preachy rant."
Sorry old chap its still comming over as a preachy rant, with lines like I play of RP only etc
If you know how to get easy gold with a PC who hates to kill pray tell Im all ears.
The gold "Gaind" if thats what your on about has very littel RP so im not doing that.
Thats why I do Quests and thats why I would like gold then and there not throw "Griand"
Ive put the time and RP work in lets some some PC progretion.
Im not some one who has 10 to 30 hours a week to specnd on layo, I try my best to RP as good as I can.
Ask any one about Mille Mooneyes shes been around and done things, but I just can not see how players who spend
hours in game get to dictate the why things are done, its just

Time in game = Rewareds
says nothing about RP qulity of a player I have only ever had once a 500Exp rewared for in game, none qwest activity after 6 Mouths and
100s of hours of playing the best RP I can.

Well thats my rant back sorry

NEXUS7 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2006, 05:07:24 AM »

vgn-> but even a low level can run through the crypts and clean them out. You can get around 1000+ gold in one trip. If that's just the low level area in Hlint.
No way I have do the crypts meny meny times I have a PC who do not like killing as she hides more, so I have to take some one with me share loot.
So its back to the Gold Grind again where the RP in that.

I do take your paint on PnP v NWN game mecanics yes I can see how that makes looting A thing to be done in game and all the risks that impliyes.