Author Topic: Sunbeam Lvl 8 Cleric spell (Read 1154 times)

Dezza · « **on:** July 27, 2009, 09:30:27 AM »

Why does this spell only affect some undead and not others? My understanding of it was that it should affect all undead?

Dorganath · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:35:24 AM »

Not affected at all? Not affected as you'd expect?

There's a reflex save that can cut the damage in half. It only stands a chance of outright "killing" vampires and shadows. Other undead types just take damage.

What sort of undead did you try it on and what was the effect?

darkstorme · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:45:32 AM »

Quote from: Dorganath

It only stands a chance of outright "killing" vampires and shadows.

Which, really, is about what you'd expect. There's never been anything in mythology or popular legend about zombies melting away in the sun.

Link092 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:24:58 AM »

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Which, really, is about what you'd expect. There's never been anything in mythology or popular legend about zombies melting away in the sun.

If that were the case, a lot of people who wake up in the morning wouldn't make it past their windows... at least till they get coffee...

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Dorganath · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:38:26 AM »

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Which, really, is about what you'd expect. There's never been anything in mythology or popular legend about zombies melting away in the sun.

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Link092 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:55:08 AM »

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how could I forget about that one...

miltonyorkcastle · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2009, 01:00:32 PM »

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There's a reflex save that can cut the damage in half.

And because it's a reflex save involved, if the undead in question has evasion and makes the save, then no damage, no death, no effect.

lonnarin · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2009, 04:29:37 PM »

Quote from: darkstorme

Which, really, is about what you'd expect. There's never been anything in mythology or popular legend about zombies melting away in the sun.

They do however melt in your mouth, not in your hand.

Dezza · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:31:28 AM »

Okay mummies in Storans took between 1 and 4 dmg max from sunbeam...they all failed their saves.

Mosscrypt undead, I used a sunbeam causing 1-4 dmg they all failed their saves and then followed up with an Undeath to Death to no effect and once again they failed their saves.

Any explanations for that??

miltonyorkcastle · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:06:47 PM »

Um... not here. It should do more damage than that.

s0ulz · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:14:29 PM »

Quote from: Dezza

Okay mummies in Storans took between 1 and 4 dmg max from sunbeam...they all failed their saves.

Mosscrypt undead, I used a sunbeam causing 1-4 dmg they all failed their saves and then followed up with an Undeath to Death to no effect and once again they failed their saves.

Any explanations for that??

First guess - by some mistake they aren't tagged as undead.

davidhoff · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:22:59 PM »

That sounds messed up...if truly undead... the sunbeam should do more damage and the undeath to death should kill most of em outright.

Maybe Soulz is right about not properly tagged as undead.

I'd be interested to see portions of you're logs for those encounters...maybe there's something there that would help understand why it's not working...remote possibility, but guess I'm just curious.

Ravemore · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:59:45 PM »

I concur with Dezza in regards to the undeath to death spell.. I have also used it there with no affect.

ShiffDrgnhrt · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2009, 03:58:03 PM »

I think s0ulz is right... Maybe someone forgot to tag them as being Undead... *eyes Dorg and Chongo... and some other people that prolly do that stuff that he doesn't know about*

Lance Stargazer · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2009, 04:06:25 PM »

Well at least for mummies in Storan's They seem to work fine as Undeda. otherwise Lance were unable to turn them, which is something i have made in the past, but will try to check at is it now for confirmation but I don't know if the tag that afects what turns afects, is different of the one that rule what the spell affects.

Dorganath · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2009, 04:33:42 PM »

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I think s0ulz is right... Maybe someone forgot to tag them as being Undead... *eyes Dorg and Chongo... and some other people that prolly do that stuff that he doesn't know about*

If that's the case (and I'm not saying it is or isn't...I haven't looked), then it's been that way for a very long time, dating at least back to the start of v3 in 2006 and probably beyond that when the creatures were first designed.

ycleption · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2010, 08:18:02 PM »

I'm not sure if this should belong in the bugs section, but Pallena has been playing around with her lovely (relatively) new level 8 spell slot, and there is still oddities with the spell:

From the first room in Storan's Crypt:

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:30] [Server] You are now in a Full PVP Area.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:44] Pallena casting Sunbeam
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Pallena casts Sunbeam
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Skeleton Chieftain attempts to resist spell : spell resisted
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Skeleton Chieftain attempts to resist spell : spell resisted
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Shadow Fiend : Fortitude Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (14 + 2 = 16 vs. DC: 27)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Revenant : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (8 + 3 = 11 vs. DC: 27)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Bodak : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (8 + 5 = 13 vs. DC: 27)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Skeleton Chieftain attempts to resist spell : failure
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Skeleton Chieftain : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (18 + 3 = 21 vs. DC: 27)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Shadow Fiend : Fortitude Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (17 + 2 = 19 vs. DC: 27)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Defender of Storan : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (11 + 7 = 18 vs. DC: 27)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Pallena : Initiative Roll : 18 : (12 + 6 = 18)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:46] Revenant attacks Pallena : *miss* : (4 + 3 = 7)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Pallena damages Shadow Fiend: 45 (45 Magical)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Experience Points Gained: 7
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Pallena killed Shadow Fiend
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Pallena damages Shadow Fiend: 45 (45 Magical)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Experience Points Gained: 7
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Pallena killed Shadow Fiend
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Pallena damages Bodak: 3 (3 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:47] Pallena damages Revenant: 4 (4 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:48] Pallena damages Defender of Storan: 6 (6 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 18:48:48] Pallena damages Skeleton Chieftain: 4 (4 Divine)

It destroys the shadows as per the spell description, but only does from 1-6 damage.

I tested on a selection of skeletons (Krandor), and did a little better:
CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:32] Pallena casting Sunbeam
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:33] Attack Of Opportunity : Dusty Bones attacks Pallena : *hit* : (20 + 7 = 27 : Threat Roll: 19 + 7 = 26)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:33] Attack Of Opportunity : Dusty Bones attacks Pallena : *miss* : (6 + 7 = 13)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:33] Pallena : Damage Reduction absorbs 9 damage : 141 points remaining
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Pallena casts Sunbeam
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Pallena : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (7 + 12 = 19 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (12 + 3 = 15 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (7 + 3 = 10 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (12 + 3 = 15 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *success* : (20 + 3 = 23 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (8 + 3 = 11 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (16 + 3 = 19 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (18 + 3 = 21 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:34] Dusty Bones : Reflex Save vs. Divine : *failure* : (17 + 3 = 20 vs. DC: 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:35] Dusty Bones attacks Pallena : *hit* : (19 + 5 = 24)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:35] Pallena damages Pallena: 11 (11 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:35] Pallena : Damage Reduction absorbs 6 damage : 130 points remaining
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 17 (17 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 19 (19 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Dusty Bones attacks Pallena : *miss* : (1 + 5 = 6)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 13 (13 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 12 (12 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 9 (9 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 24 (24 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 14 (14 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:12:36] Pallena damages Dusty Bones: 12 (12 Divine)

But given that Pallena is level 15, far short of the expected average 52ish damage for things that fail their saves. In fact, the values are pretty close to the average damage for non-undead (17). It doesn't explain the first set, but if the spell didn't properly recognize undead...

Any ideas about it?

Any ideas?

Edit:
And...... one more sample, looking like 1d6, except for one which looks like 5d6, all failed their save (Krandor again):

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:23] Pallena damages Partial Corpse: 3 (3 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:23] Pallena damages Twisted Corpse: 19 (19 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Pallena: 21 (21 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Twisted Corpse: 1 (1 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Twisted Corpse: 6 (6 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Twisted Corpse: 6 (6 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Twisted Corpse: 6 (6 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Partial Corpse: 1 (1 Divine)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Feb 08 19:27:24] Pallena damages Twisted Corpse: 6 (6 Divine)

Another edit: the risen remains and zombie lords in front of Storan's also only take what looks like 1d6 damage - I'll spare you the logs this time.

ycleption · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2010, 10:06:18 PM »

Okay, I did a bit of digging on this...

Apparently the way the script targets creatures results in the spell doing "living thing" damage if there is a living thing in the area. If the targeting was not changed for the Layo custom version of the spell, that would at least partially explain the numbers. I still have no idea why it would do less than 5 damage when Pallena (level 15) casts it though.

Forgive me, if in my computery ignorance this doesn't make sense, but would it be possible to change sunbeam to the same sort of targeting as sunburst (which doesn't seem to suffer from the same infirmity)?

mixafix · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:18:23 AM »

likewise for my cleric ..it does those small numbers..never use it as a result

lonnarin · « **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:25:41 AM »

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