Tumble and Weapon Masters

[Witch Hunter]

I recently saw Bear Warriors get it as a class skill and I think Tumble should be made a weapon master class skill as well, why? every thing about them just screams tumble!
To begin with you must have 13 dex to be one, which is above average, then you have mobility, dodge, spring attack - reflex is their main saving through etc etc etc.... why shouldn't they be able to jump around combat if a bear warrior can? :O

[vitor]

No way.... WM is already too strong.

[IDii]

Bear warrior probably gets it because it's otherwise a relatively weak prestige class compared to the monstrous weaponmaster.

And it would make all those combinations that end up with 7 weapon master levels just more silly when you save points and max out tumble every few levels when you level as WM.

Balance reasons is probably the answer.

[vitor]

Agreed. Multiclass with rogue if you want it.

[miltonyorkcastle]

Really, because of the feats required for weaponmaster, a WM doesn't need tumble, as they can move in and out of combat without incurring attacks of opportunity thanks to "spring attack." And that's what tumble is for, moving in and out of combat without those pesky AoO's. So tumble for a weaponmaster becomes simply a matter of mooching AC off the skill. They don't need it.

[Witch Hunter]

IDii - 3/3/2007  10:49 AM

Bear warrior probably gets it because it's otherwise a relatively weak prestige class compared to the monstrous weaponmaster.

And it would make all those combinations that end up with 7 weapon master levels just more silly when you save points and max out tumble every few levels when you level as WM.

Balance reasons is probably the answer.

Oh? the bear form is very powerful - it a LOT of str and con and keeps the bonuses from items.


if balance was the issue - make it so that the tumble ac bonus doesnt work if you wear heavy armor, that way you negate the AC bonus - which is a huge issue for light-armor wearing fighters, there is no logical reasont to wear light armor at the moment.

[Jearick Hgar]

As a bear warrior i promis you, the class is not weak by any means what so ever. whoever todl you it was misinforme dyou lol.

[Eight-Bit]

Witch Hunter - 3/3/2007 2:54 PM

IDii - 3/3/2007 10:49 AM Bear warrior probably gets it because it's otherwise a relatively weak prestige class compared to the monstrous weaponmaster. And it would make all those combinations that end up with 7 weapon master levels just more silly when you save points and max out tumble every few levels when you level as WM. Balance reasons is probably the answer.

Oh? the bear form is very powerful - it a LOT of str and con and keeps the bonuses from items. if balance was the issue - make it so that the tumble ac bonus doesnt work if you wear heavy armor, that way you negate the AC bonus - which is a huge issue for light-armor wearing fighters, there is no logical reasont to wear light armor at the moment.

 Or it could stay exactly the way it is, because why change a system that is obviously working just fine? Tumblechecks arerolling, dodging, or ducking out of the way of a blow. The Spring Attack feat that Weapon Masters must have is a lot like the cheeky anime fights, where the people just five feet a time to look stupid or cool, depending on if you're 13 or not.
  Weapon Masters can easily gain two Dodge AC from ten tumble ranks by level 20, there is no reason at all to make it even easier to get four without taking Rogue levels.

[Chongo]

I concur, make tumble part of the weaponmaster prestige class.

New Weaponmaster Prerequisite:
Epic Skill Focus - Tumble

[Witch Hunter]

Oh well, guess this ain't such a good idea after all :p