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« on: May 18, 2007, 04:41:25 pm »
Oh I love it, love it alot, you just got to know what you can use it against, or when to use it. I find it best used with premoniton. can't kill everything with a instant death spell, and magic does not always work sometimes you just need a basher class.
and I can understand alot of dislike for it, the doomknight version takes alot of fun out of the spell. when you make it to keep your human form, it allows you to use your OWN weapon. instead of magically get one. make it alot more fun because you can do more with it, so we come from different backgrounds on that one. just the doom knight alone a big fun kill.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 02:15:59 pm »
Indeed he will be missed, when I was around 3rd grade I loved all his works, with such a passion. his works gave me the love for books I have today, I probly read a thousand or more, and it all started with his works.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 02:07:18 pm »
When you cast Tenser's, you also lose some prepared spells. And with our restriction on only being able to rest once every ten minutes, that might not be such a good thing. Wait, you can rest every 10 minutes!?!?!?  on my old server it was every 30ish Wow that just, well I don't know how to explain what that is, one reason T.T. was so hot was with extend you could battle 5 minutes per a cast, and if you had about 6 you had your rest time there. Nothing like being a mage with no spells for about for 30 minutes. think I know how to explain it now, joy.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 05:53:31 am »
It is usually perceived as one of the strongest spells in game, though...
Together with self-buffs wizards are capable of, it tend to make them as good (or even better) fighters than what... eh... fighters are.
Not that anyone would be insane enough to use this spell constantly as a replacement for true fighters. Limited duration after all... :p Oh I have used that spell constantly sometimes you just feel the need to bash things, and with haste and extended T.T with flame weapon your just as good as any warrior. you have a lower crit range but you have the buffs. And with extended it lasts a good long while so when your out of spells, T.T away!
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« on: May 18, 2007, 05:50:17 am »
try extend spell while buffed with flame weapon, and spells that when you take damage, deal damage back, while it not good as polymorph self the 9th level version, it only takes up a 6th level spell. and the old doomknight version has a exploit built in, that makes it where you can do around 70 damage a hit at level 20. that does not include crits.
higher level I have seen a level 32 pump out 130 damage hit with longsword.
and there a even more nasty exploit. the spell is rather useful when it setup right, but doomnight version is just not worth it. for example you don't get to the choose the weapon you wield. How does a char go from having a mace, to a two handed sword? lol let alone the big skull head, I don't know what bioware was think when they did that.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 05:41:54 am »
you have the chance to see them but it is unlikely, just like a ghost durning the day is next to invisible .but it is unlikely, I tryed looking for the source book that speaks of shadow dancer in detail but since Layo does not have a shadow plane t ofind them would be pointless we throw the book out so to speak, and does nothing to effect how a char would RP it. I would just say it should probly be added to the next PHB for layo. as our friend posted.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 03:01:11 am »
Hmm, al'right So it seems only the need for components are needed for it have been the only change, thank you. I ask because the doomknight form has a few things about it. thanks for your reply!:D
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« on: May 18, 2007, 02:53:00 am »
Ya i find it to be a great idea, but I understand if it gets put back. it is ALOT of work to go through a module to put such things in. But i do feel it is worth it, atleast by the starting area's and near towns. that should limit the work, I don't think anything more is needed, but if they wanted to go further I would not complain.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 02:49:53 am »
Not exactly what I was looking for but thank you As I said details of changes are needed. That is pretty much the basic DnD book listing of it. which the doom knight mimic's. I am sure the doom knight part was removed, (it ugly as sin, and have seen few servers be able to handle the look or uberness of it, but mainly the ugly look)
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« on: May 18, 2007, 02:42:37 am »
Well... I don't mean to sound snippish, but this isn't PnP. This isn't 3.0 or 3.5, this is Layo. We base off of the D&D/NWN rules, but when it comes down to the how and why of things in a roleplay sense, there are more things that are different in Layo than there are the same.
Shadowdancing... They don't slip between planes, but simply learn to wrap themselves in shadow, or make themselves look so like the shadow that you can't tell the difference any more. Well it does matter,to someone that RP's it and the poster seems to know a great deal of how it works, BUT if it was just *you wrap a shadow around youself*, I would think any mage with shadow shield would be able to HIPS. and that a SD would get the bonuses of Shadow shield when HIPS, because that what shadow shield does. Ever seen someone in shadow shield? ( not being sarcastic, just don't know if you have) you can pick them out like a a big redsign durring the day, or in a decently lighted place. in a dark room? Now you can't do that in a darkroom, but HIPS is so much more then that, your hiding in plain sight. I could walk up to you and wave my hand right infront of your face, and chances are you would not see me. punch you in your face then hide, while your looking directly at me. Now how do you RP that? Lets not forget that is the question being asked here. And I find a very good one, I posted the DnD info because when answering such a question I would like everyone to know the standard on it. remember as the fella posted from Dorg it goes DnD 3.0 < NWN < Layo. DnD 3.0 may be at the bottom of that list, but it is the only one that has CLEAR rules on HIPS. Unless a head of Layo comments, it would be the one I would go with. BUT layo does not use shadow plane, but that still does not mean you would simply wrap your self in the shadows. So that puts us at a crossroad. :\\ To be honest this is not the first time I have seen it popup on a RP server, nor do I think it will be the last.
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« on: May 18, 2007, 12:41:58 am »
oh there was also a set of gnolls by a trans. seems i was not the first of there victims.
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« on: May 17, 2007, 10:47:55 pm »
Drog has told me about it, he also told me I was not the first to plot the destruction, and enslavement of it's people for the injustice wrongfully done to me. Beware Hlint Dave Hendrix is on to you, and your soul stealing ways!
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« on: May 17, 2007, 08:33:38 pm »
yep it is the same in 3.0 as 3.5
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« on: May 17, 2007, 02:24:48 pm »
That is definitely not the case in PnP or Layonara.
The plane of shadow is a really really really nasty place. Both planewalking to it AND surviving there for more than a second or two are epic abilities.
To clarify, by "epic abilities" I do not mean they are feats you can choose or whatnot. I mean that they're incredible things that it would take an epic character to think about trying. Shadows dancers do not enter the shadow plane when they HIPS, they just get between the planes, much like a ghost does but a ghost is more attached to plane of the dead and not the prime just like a shadow dancer is on the prime and special weapons must be used to harm it a shadow dancer can not be harmed from anything on the shadow plane side while using HIPS. but shows up on the shadow plane, and it is not really that dangerous. Travelers cross the shadow plane all the time to lesson travel time just depends on your DM though there are shadows there that are a MM CR 13. but a shadow dancers is there more moments or fractions of a second and only when they use shadow jump when they enter it to jump from shadow to shadow. but being that layo does not have the shadow plane, I would have no clue as to how it would work. but the rules on HIPS are posted in that quote. that all the DMG gives, so if Layo keeps to the DMG rules that would be them. and the main thing to keep in mind when RPing it is 10 from a shadow, and it can't be your own. but that is a no brainer.
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« on: May 17, 2007, 02:06:46 pm »
you currently have a few, star, lilth the druid gnome, risen & reborn's char, and script wrecked, and my very simple dave hendrix, I always loved the simple chars everyone goes for flash these days, finding the good old cookie cutter chars to simple. umm jimblee and Celezar are still going to make there chars been pushing the limits on your char submission rules, they think they finally got it worked out thanks to Dorg. the others are pretty much finishing up school or waiting. Many decided to stay and ether work with the the 2 new versions of our old server or wait for it. but me I am on vacation  no one dragging me back into the whole "We need 100 area's done by friday get to work!" *sips his ice tea in the shade then calls out* little to the left there kaggan with that placable! So a few of us still around, and looking forward to RPing. few us have.I am by far not the best Rper of us, I just often handle the work loads, I lost my RPing talents when I became a admin, though some folks still say I got it. but my RP is often nothing special these days, and that fine with me, pretty much logon to logon maybe bash a few monsters alone. you know the stuff I don't need to think on.
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« on: May 17, 2007, 01:28:44 am »
Well, there are mechanical benefits - chief among them the fact that without a smoke bomb/darkness spell to help them out, a rogue can't hide from someone who's watching them. If they vanish around a corner, and the pursuer loses a line-of-sight with them, then they can hide and be successful, but otherwise, they're perfectly visible.
To illustrate, imagine playing hide and seek, but when you're supposed to be hiding your eyes and counting to a hundred, you're facing the hiders. One of them cleverly hides in the branches of a tree... climbing it as you watch. Clearly, ineffective.
In contrast, imagine you're playing with a shadowdancer. They move off, into the shadow of that same tree. You're watching them, waiting to see where they're going. And then, they suddenly get harder to see. Your eyes water, as you strain to see them, but somehow they're obscured, you can't see them... and they're gone. After looking around intently, you finally spot them moving from tree to tree.. but the key is, even though you were looking directly at them, they vanished.
That's the "Plain Sight" part. For everyday stealth, the person can only "vanish" if they put something - a pillar, a tree, a wall - between them and the person in question. For the shadowdancer, that critical moment when the seeker loses line-of-sight is provided automatically. They still have to creep around thereafter, and the person looking for them might still spot them - it's not invisibility - but they can manage to elude light itself for that one crucial instant.
It's a remarkable ability, and not something unconscious on the part of the shadowdancer, any more than a rogue would unconsciously flatten himself against a wall and creep around a temple. Often, in PnP campaigns involving a shadowdancer, this is the hardest part to cover in flavour text, because there really isn't anything like it in life. Invisibility is one thing - that's just an object vanishing, a cloaking device. But the Shadowdancer's ability is to elude eyesight (and light) for the moment or two that he/she needs to duck behind real cover. I was always under the impression that a shadow dancer slipped between the planes, the prime and the shadow plane, and that they could do this only when in 10 feet of a shadow, and it can not be there own. Is this connected to the mechanics of the ability, or different from which you speak? I never played a shadow dancer in PnP merely read up on them. I know they slip between the prime and shadow plane when they use shadow jump, and they call forth a shadow from the shadow plane. HIPS A Shadow dancer can use the hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot however, hide in her own shadow this is how it works in DnD 3.5 word for word if you have access to it, check the DMG page 194-195 it offers alittle on the PrC pretty much everything I just said :s I don't know where you could get a full understanding of how they do this, I just know they use the shadow plane. if I find out any info I will PM you it. 
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« on: May 16, 2007, 06:42:34 pm »
@Joyrock, I don't use MSN and haven't for a long time (several years). So I am not invisible or anything like that, I just am not logged in to my MSN account because I don't use it.
On an additional note, you are welcome to send me a PM but not if you are going to hash over the same conversations as this thread has been "discussing" as that is a closed issue and things are not changing and I know that is not what you want to here but it is just how it is so I will apologize up front.
If you want to just talk or discuss other things that does not involve this thread then I look foward to your PM. Err thanks so your the same person as the one that reads admin? with the MSN button? much rather MSN then PM's because from each form of communication you move up the more clear things become. no I have no wish to continue this I never did. But you know as a leader of my people and all I tend to get defensive of them, and when one is your sister... Anywho I might just get IRC I have it on my laptop but I don't feel like breaking that thing out. We will see once I login. itend to be busy helping folks with bio's many of my players are what you would call foriegn, like Star there danish. I so helping them with bio's that read well is eating into my own time for things. it not so much a need to talk in private as a need tochat in a higher level then posts.
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« on: May 16, 2007, 05:56:11 pm »
helldozer while I thank you for trying to be polite, I think you misunderstand.
I have stated and stated we wished to fully conform. I have been admin, I have dealt with it before I can pretty muchguess your DM team's stance on things. We never planned to change anything, but you can't tell someone there wrong for not wanting to play here.
Yuyu is gone, said she is going to wait for the new version of our old server. trying to explian anything more is pointless and will only prevoke conflict. We don't need to be told we need to change to your ways we know that.
But I do think you need to understand not everyone will think the world, of your world.
I am sure you could care less if we played here or not you have alot of players what is a few more or less? I think you do care about what others think of your world, and anything short of perfection will upset you.
Must remember your world was made for families, that alone will send many players away. change your ways to bring them back and it will drive someone away.
So please you need to not preach anymore.
This has turned from my sister to me -_- With joyrock this joyrock that... PLEASE READ WHO IT IS ABOUT, BEFORE POSTING. In fact please don't post at all I assure you she is gone. much like she first stated. only thing posting here does is serve to make me feel defensive, or the need to defend my sister.
yes I know full well family server, yes I know full well not to try and change anything, yes I know full well some people are reading what the person on top posts, yes I know full well your trying to be nice, and yes I undertsand you don't mean anything.
You don't need to put anything like don't like it leave she said she was leaving. that pretty much what started this.
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« on: May 16, 2007, 05:13:45 pm »
will that admin fella please hit my little MSN button, I added him two days ago. I sure he sets to hide to ease the work load he has but I have been wanting to talk to him before this whole thing happend in hopes of avoiding something like this. *sighs* it much easier to ask one person things then a group of them, and it always best to goto the top. I promise not to take up to much of your time. yuyu new there was no chance the rules would be changed, she just did not like telling her the rules were perfect, and she was the reason she could not feel the want to play here with her CvC ways. She said she would leave before playing because she knew you would be set in stone. She has dealt with me for far to long. Oh and our community is still around I just choose to no longer run it, both servers are being rebuilt fully for the first time in 5 years. I just wished to be a player and that not something you cna do in a place where folks still look to you for answers. our community still being around is why I or anyone from it will give it name, we respect other servers and do not wish to advertise in anyway for it. not knowing where we come from does pose problems for understanding us, you know nothing of our ways, granting us the advantage there. When we came here I made sure everyone knew we were not out to make others conform to us but to conform to the way of others. this is why she chose to leave. I fully understand folks love it here and must feel others must be insane to to not like it,or feel they won't clearly they have not spent enough time here, or some other thing like that. That just shows you have carring players. We come from a very different place and have many more freedoms that the admins and DM's of here must think we had to be crazy to allow, full freedom of speech was one of them. As I said or ways would be just barbarian to you.
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« on: May 16, 2007, 04:43:19 pm »
I would note that the tone of some of the posts critiquing our world have become a tad harsh. We have a solid playerbase of people who value the experience of being in character. Understand, as I'm sure you must, that when you start saying things like...
" I must say alot about this server is a turn away to new players, you can say it is not but then again your not new."
"None of us care about PvP/CvC, but we just feel the level of RP here, must be on a low standard if such restrictions are needed so badly."
"It is does make me some what sad to know that the majority of this player base is unable to handle evil (this I assume other wise such restrictions would not be needed, once again assume), it is a truelly needed part of RP."
...you have started infringing on our collective pride in our world and some might take umbrage to your words. We are proud of what we have created here. We enjoy our world. We know why our rules are in place and we accept them. Please don't imply that we are substandard carebears that cannot roleplay.
This server is not designed to dissuade a player whose intent is to enjoy a thoroughly described, heavily player-impacted world. It IS designed to weed out those who would bring poor manners, poor taste, and family-unfriendly attitudes. This is because there are in fact children and teens in the world who don't need to see that sort of thing; not that they don't understand it, rather it is that the adults here believe it's not appropriate behavior and stand by that.
Evil is restricted to prevent some of the above. I will take your word that your group are quite capable of playing an evil race well. However, the rules were put in place for those who might not understand the subtleties of "evil" or whose idea of such is derived exclusively from movies and television. The team needs to know that the player won't grief, and understands the limits and the freedoms of Layonara. That's it.
We do encourage the highest level of roleplay and immersion here, which is why so many of us volunteer to help write, build and GM Layonara. Our reputation is earned. I hope you find it to your liking as I am proud of it and what has been and will be done to make it better. That said, it is not for everyone. I think you take alot out of context. Remeber we are new, We fully understand what turns us away. Before I get to know you I am put through "tests" thing that test my character as a person to live up to your standards. If not even some what elitest. Now restriction are there to prevent things, what does that tell us new players? Well I will tell you, what it told me and that I was still willing to conform. "we the players of layo love this place very much, we wish to play here for ever. we do not trust foreign invanders that are new players. We wish to not give them a chance, we will give them nothing, they will change or they will simply leave, and we will still be happy because we love this place." Restriction are a turn away. That not a guess it a fact, because I my self am trying to bring a great deal of good people here. Notice the post you took that from has a layo player openly insulting a new player. yet it was not the layo that threw the first conflicting sentence but Me :\\ I am in charge of a great deal of folks. good people that wish to be treated as equals. people that are meeting the players of layo half way by reading your rules, and following them. Now I must say some of the hoops we are jumping through are a bit much. But do you care much? It does not seem that way. I can guess new players are a welcome site, and you love to have them. But you don't seem to care to listen to there comments, or critisms. You merely wish to say this place is perfect in everyway known to man. I understand you like this place and find nothing wrong with it. BUT when was the last time you had a group this large of old NWN players go through the hardship of leaving home to move to another server tired, hungry, cast out on the streets *sniffs* trying to make a home here to find that all the basic freedoms they had will be taken away from them, with no chance of earning them? a player voiced there feelings on this, and was thought ill of do to it, one of MY players and a family member. She knowing what you would say said she would leave, she was PMed and told she was very wrong about this place, and commented on being wrong. this attitude "how do you knwo what turns people away?" I would guess being new and being thought a PvP monger for not liking the restrictions would make someone feel unwelcome. ones says they do not liek the restrictions on evil and a Oh, well we have a PvP system, assuming that what we are trying to say is that we wish to make Chaotic evil like chars and run around PvPing. Your right it not for everyone, but to the degree that some implyed that if you don't like it you must be a power gamer, PvP monger, that does not know what Good RP is and must be a bad person. No where did anyone say they were not willing to -prove- they had what it takes, or even wait. They just said they feel 2 months for CN is to much, 9 months for evil is to much, and that what turned them away. We don't ask to bypass rules, but when someone tells the reason they have decided not to play here, it might be alittle rude to think ill of them and tell them, no you don't understand when they clearly do. You wish to put RP second, behind safety of no player conflict. to tell someone they don't understand and that they should send days writting a bio join a world where when they get in, they won't enjoy is unfair. We heard a GREAT deal about this place before we came, I am a old NWN player I have built many game worlds, I have talked with alot of well known game world designers. I asked what place would be best for blank and they told me the pro's and con's of this place before hand. No one has really offered much incouragement towards her, other then your wrong. I can understand the 9 months rule 9 months ago, but NWN2 expansion has been set. We give valid fears of why we feel less then over joyed about this rule. that and the rather insulting manner a few things were handed to her, I must admit I am upset about this, it hard to do alot I have done keep all the moving in such in order, but it also hard to sit and watch my sister take flack, for feeling your world's rules restrict RP to the point she feels unable to RP in it.
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