Quote from: Script WreckedQuote from: janIt's in my eyes a complete ignoring off the work the writers have done and still are working on .I understood that one of the stated aims of the original Blood campaign (as presented by the writers) was that the characters would unite against the common enemy despite their differing alignments and/or races.You're right. But that was the Soul of a Lost Ancient campaign, where all the PCs had both a common enemy (Blood) and a common background/voucher (Ozlo summoning them).We no longer have that. We haven't for many years, in game.
Quote from: janIt's in my eyes a complete ignoring off the work the writers have done and still are working on .I understood that one of the stated aims of the original Blood campaign (as presented by the writers) was that the characters would unite against the common enemy despite their differing alignments and/or races.
It's in my eyes a complete ignoring off the work the writers have done and still are working on .
There is no reason for most people/characters to think that A_Random_Orc is anything but an evil brute driven by bloodlust. Ditto Goblins, giants, etc. The halfblood forms of these don't lessen this by too terribly much. Dark elves, likewise, are the poster children of evil; they are literally the boogieman that parents scare kids with.
Quote from: Script WreckedOn an RP server, where the whole purpose is group interaction, if you can't find a party to RP with, should you be playing that character? Viz, should you be detailing whom you will be RPing with in your submission, and/or be given direction in that regard?There are other things to do than RP; however, one should never step out of character just because noone else is around. In terms of "who you 'should' be RPing with," characters are assumed to be more or less normal for their race/culture unless stated otherwise. A_Human_Fighter will typically hate/fear Dark Elves and Orcs, for example, and would likely attack more or less on sight.
On an RP server, where the whole purpose is group interaction, if you can't find a party to RP with, should you be playing that character? Viz, should you be detailing whom you will be RPing with in your submission, and/or be given direction in that regard?
Quote from: Script WreckedQuote from: mixafixI think we should all remember it and try to rp as best we can without destroying others rp or fun too. (by dominating other plots/storylines) I think its a balance thing, not sure we can always get it right every time.I would suggest it becomes a question of "RP fun" versus "strict RP".I would disagree. "RP fun" with a dwarf randomly greeting and running around with an orc is not "RP fun" at all. Fun it may be, but the RP bit is arguable.
Quote from: mixafixI think we should all remember it and try to rp as best we can without destroying others rp or fun too. (by dominating other plots/storylines) I think its a balance thing, not sure we can always get it right every time.I would suggest it becomes a question of "RP fun" versus "strict RP".
I think we should all remember it and try to rp as best we can without destroying others rp or fun too. (by dominating other plots/storylines) I think its a balance thing, not sure we can always get it right every time.
Your cycle with the "agressive races" does not illustrate a workaround, but rather, it illustrates the problem.
We should all keep in mind that orcs, goblins, giants, and especially dark elves, are all evil. This statement is much like "humans have some number of appendages." There may be an EXTREME few who do not, but they are considered freaks and aberrations (not to be confused with abominations), and would be unheard of among other races.EDIT: Now, before anyone points to the number of not-totally-evil monstrous PCs we have in game, let me illustrate something, and point to the number of high-level characters we have in game. They ARE that tiny segment; almost all of it. It's like gathering all the pastafarian albino amputees in the world to say "hey! Pastafarian albino amputees are fairly common!"
But the ongoing legacy of this campaign is the framework that the Dragon Called characters operated from, and the example that they continue to set, particularly in regard to dealings with traditionally-antagonistic-race characters; it isn't a clean slate.
I infact recall a few months back, G'ork trying to travel with some people, and some one then stating that G'ork had been involved in a robbery, and so, had to make a run before the guards came along, and I didn't get to go adventurring! But! I was pleased when I got this response. The party had general concerns about G'ork travelling with them.
Ideally perhaps, though the level of hostility is usually defined by the color of the text above them. Most of the people I hear complaining about how drow should be attacked on sight are the very same people who dust off Alantha's bench when she sits down and offer to pour her a glass of lemonade, so to speak. It's funny how in character racism only ever gets RPed when it's 8 on 1 vs. an effortless opponent, but suddenly we're ALL Azattans once the right click yeilds purple. That's why the PVP rules are in place methinks.If these people were so racist, how come they do chores for Milara? Suddenly you have Lawful Good paladins arguing that they shouldn't go back on their promise to an evil evil drow, evil far beyond his race who has a dracolich on a leash. Isn't there something in a paladin's code about consorting with evil people, and certainly about making promises to serve people with dracoliches on a leash? I didn't see any bylines which said "but its ok to do chores for evil if their name is purple" in those codes of Lucinda, Rofirien and Toran. I don't see anybody challenging a single one of the dark dwarves of Prantz to a fight, save for Varka. Whenever Bjorn tries to recruit people to storm the place, they go pale and forgeArkolio's name on the sign-up sheet. So willing to declare our hatred of dark dwarves we are, until its time to use the bank or crafthall.Now if Milara was known to be level 4, oh sure, kill him on sight.
I wouldn't mind getting a free-card in attacking and killing any spellslinger that travels onto Warrior's Ridge .If any one can give me a good reason why one that is relying on the weave travels to that place then i am more then curious to hear it .rp doesn't start or end with races , it also involves type of chars and skills that character excels in .No magic using character in his or her right mind , not send there by forces stronger and profound , in my eyes would willingly go into an area that strips them off everything they have spend years study and praying on .
Apologies for backtracking a bit. However, for clarification:Until they have meet said random orc/goblin/giant/dark elf, RP has been exchanged, and they find them to be "is okay". Once that has occurred, there is the steady erosion of traditionally antagonistic behaviours. That last sentence is the point I am trying to make.I am coming from the traditionally antagonistic race character point of view, and whom they would RP with.They are all evil, except for the ones that the characters are meeting. However, it is those ones that the characters are spending the most time with. The characters are not RPing with the "poster children of evil", but the non-hostile loner who is trying to make friends. They color the characters' experience of the traditionally antagonistic race, and cause the erosion of of traditionally antagonistic behaviours.Regards,Script Wrecked.
I've really held off on posting this here.. not so much as to cause problems just as I wanted to really think it through.. On a OOC Level as a player who has played in multiple NWN PW's something that I find EXTREMELY hard to get used to is PC's playing alternate raises, I.E. Orc's, Drow etc. and ACTUALLY behaving like they are supposed to. Every PW I've ever been in beside this one the orc likes humans helps humans etc.. heck I've played in one PW where there was a Female Orc that handed out flowers like a beatnick at woodstock. What I am saying is for those who have been playing in other Mods who are used to seeing these races arent used to the fact that an orc can and is supposed to be bad. I'll tell you when the individual in question in the hempstead fields started threatening my PC. I was a bit blow away at first then my wife had to throw stuff at me cause I was sitting my chair yelling at the screen "ROCK ON! AN EVIL PC ORC ABOUT BLOODY TIME!" QuoteWhere are all these orcs people are talking about?? I never have the fun of running into them =P Are they half orcs that people are calling orcs? As far as being one of the few dragon called, there are still a good bit of us out there. I personally do not bring it up due to the in game time that has passed, however as a Dark Elf, my pc might still be alive, but i'm not sure of the exact ingame time that has passed since then.I just let the whole dragon called thing go so that the staff doesn't lay down some smack and make us start over or something, since our pcs would have died of old age a long time ago! =)
Where are all these orcs people are talking about?? I never have the fun of running into them =P Are they half orcs that people are calling orcs? As far as being one of the few dragon called, there are still a good bit of us out there. I personally do not bring it up due to the in game time that has passed, however as a Dark Elf, my pc might still be alive, but i'm not sure of the exact ingame time that has passed since then.I just let the whole dragon called thing go so that the staff doesn't lay down some smack and make us start over or something, since our pcs would have died of old age a long time ago! =)
That seems short-sighted. There are as many reasons for a Wizard to go somewhere he can't cast spells as there are for a Weapon Master to go places he can't kill things. There's more to it than what you can cast a spell or swing a sword at.You've got me totally confused why it should be open season on any caster who travels there.
Okay, I understand the point now. Thanks.A caster going to a no-magic area alone might be pretty weird, but if he is with a group... Well, more possibilities there. Maybe he's there to toss potions in case of trouble while they explore, even if he's reluctant to go, because he's Good and doesn't want them to be in any more trouble than they have to be. And who knows, maybe he can try to learn why the Weave has a hole in it while he's there. I agree that some people do things that seem really out of character, like a pacifist charging, or a Rofireinite suggesting to threaten a ship captain's life to force him to sail somewhere he doesn't want to, hey? *nudge, nudge* But not everything that seems wrong necessarily is. We don't necessarily know why other people are doing what they are doing, and a polite PM later might help clear up the confusion or set them on a better path (were they slipping). While everyone should try hard to consider the sense behind their characters' actions, we shouldn't become overly critical when people falter now and then. And while I certainly appreciate the tight RP rules, I don't think they are so draconian that someone can't have an off day without punishment or can't have their mage go explore some neat no-magic zone; just carry an RP reason on the trip with you and don't overdo it.