running

[Cyben]

ok so i finally got to play tonight and I was very happy with the RP enviroment. one thing kept bugging me though, you all run at full speed even in town, on every RP server I've played on walking was very important to players. if thats not the case here I dont want to make people wait for me to catch up every few seconds and will start running. it just looks so unnatural though.

[Etinfall]

depends on who you are with. Usually I try to walk, except when others are not and I need to catch up. I have actually been shouted at to hurry up, I usually respond that I can not run for 500 miles;)

If I am on at 4am and there are 8 peeps on and I am alone and crafting I will have to admit I will run places.

Etin

[freemen2]

Heh heh no t'is like DTs and wisdom comes with time, unless am in a hurry to get somplace will walk in towns

[ZeroVega]

  I agree that people should make an effort to run in town. However you can't expect people to walk everywhere. With hundreds of areas on every server they already take quite a while to nagivate. You have to remember that Layonara is a three server world... (all three servers are part of the same world) and that makes it very very large. I try to walk in town but if I walked everywhere (like we would in real life) I'd have to spend an extra hour on Layo each day to make up for going so slow. Just how it is.
  ZV-

[IceDragonDuvessa]

Cyben - 6/7/2005  12:47 AM

you all run at full speed even in town, on every RP server I've played on walking was very important to players.

This is a very broad statement and somewhat incorrect. Many characters... including my main one walk through towns and make a point to run around if in a hurry. However, for some people....it IS RP to run through towns as their character may lack the tact to know better or may flippant and not care what people think or may just be a hyper little gnome...etc. It Sounds to me as if you just happened upon the towns at a time where people were feeling a bit lazy .

[steverimmer]

  It Sounds to me as if you just happened upon the towns at a time where people were feeling a bit lazy .

  ..Or if you're a lazy goblin like Bil then you walk....albeit with haste

[fredo nature]

IceDragonDuvessa - 6/6/2005  1:57 PM

Cyben - 6/7/2005  12:47 AM


you all run at full speed even in town, on every RP server I've played on walking was very important to players.

This is a very broad statement and somewhat incorrect. Many characters... including my main one walk through towns and make a point to run around if in a hurry. However, for some people....it IS RP to run through towns as their character may lack the tact to know better or may flippant and not care what people think or may just be a hyper little gnome...etc. It Sounds to me as if you just happened upon the towns at a time where people were feeling a bit lazy .

come on, how many characters with run in a town? layonara is a serious RP world? Ofcourse, if they left the kettle on the fire they would run, but not if going to the shop to buy a new clothing.
I understand you run when you are alone, but unless in certain cases, I don't see why you should run.

I know builder put a lot of time into the module, but since when do you need to see the entire module? most people in RL hardly even leave province and if they do that they have a reason to. So running because the module is so big, sorry but I find it a weak argument. If other disagree I would say, half the module because the RP suffers from the module size.

[vgn]

come on, how many characters with run in a town? layonara is a serious RP world? Ofcourse, if they left the kettle on the fire they would run, but not if going to the shop to buy a new clothing.
I understand you run when you are alone, but unless in certain cases, I don't see why you should run.

There are many reasons why you might run which is what Ice was trying to say. I will give you some concrete examples as I have 6 characters on this server:
Duur: A lumbering half-giant that always walks except when in combat or out in the field and everyone else is running.
Sago: An egotistical, adventuresome halfling who mostly runs in or out of town, though does walk when showing respect (Something he has trouble with).
Amelia: A human woman who is often quite calm and walks most everywhere in and out of town except when in combat or on a quest where everyone is running.
Bimpo: An extreme hyperactive little gnome girl. She not only runs everywhere in or out of town but also uses haste and expedious retreat extensively. She never holds still and will likely drive you nuts during a conversation.
Vin: A methodical deep gnome he often is hiding and as such creeps around. When he is not hiding he sometimes walks and sometimes runs depending on the urgency of his task at hand. He probably runs more than walks when outside and not hiding.
Forty-two: A human woman who is a monk and as such even her walking is a bit quicker than normal. She walks in towns but outside of town she sees little need to constrain herself to a walk and often practically glides over the land with her quick pace.

So there you go, 6 characters all with different approaches to walking and running and all very valid for their personality and the Role they Play.

[ZeroVega]

  I'm gonna lay my opinion out flat...
    Some people run everywhere, some people run some places, and some people don't run at all. You can't make everyone not run. Feel free to express your opinion like you are doing, it's very good (especially since no flames have broken out).
    However people will run when by themselves. If they have 20 minutes left to adventure with friends, they'll run everywhere. If you're on a quest and you don't want it to last 8 hours (and they already last an average of 3-5 as it is) then you'll run while on it. This isn't the real world, this isn't real PnP. This is a large, expansive, high action, high RP, persistant world. And because of that people have learned to avert their eyes and shut their mouth when people run. It's just not realistic to say walk everywhere, or walk like you would in real life. If that was the case, the 3+ hours I spend goofing off and exploring each day would go twice as slow, or take twice as long, or make me tired twice as fast.
  (Also... these guys didn't build Layonara so you could see a handful of areas and be done with it. It's about as close to RL as you can get, but they made each area for a reason and they involve players... I for one would love to see them all)
  ZV-

[fredo nature]

vgn - 6/11/2005  5:46 PM

There are many reasons why you might run which is what Ice was trying to say. I will give you some concrete examples as I have 6 characters on this server:
Duur: A lumbering half-giant that always walks except when in combat or out in the field and everyone else is running.
Sago: An egotistical, adventuresome halfling who mostly runs in or out of town, though does walk when showing respect (Something he has trouble with).
Amelia: A human woman who is often quite calm and walks most everywhere in and out of town except when in combat or on a quest where everyone is running.
Bimpo: An extreme hyperactive little gnome girl. She not only runs everywhere in or out of town but also uses haste and expedious retreat extensively. She never holds still and will likely drive you nuts during a conversation.
Vin: A methodical deep gnome he often is hiding and as such creeps around. When he is not hiding he sometimes walks and sometimes runs depending on the urgency of his task at hand. He probably runs more than walks when outside and not hiding.
Forty-two: A human woman who is a monk and as such even her walking is a bit quicker than normal. She walks in towns but outside of town she sees little need to constrain herself to a walk and often practically glides over the land with her quick pace.

So there you go, 6 characters all with different approaches to walking and running and all very valid for their personality and the Role they Play.

I don't see what of these are personalities are really reasons to run? I mean an egotiscical adventurer would more likely never run, because he wouldn't mind if he came too late. Also of much of these character could be RPed seriously fulltime.

Just think at how much attention it draws when someone runs through the streets, believe as good as everyone  near looks at that certain person.

But it seemed I have a different oppinion than at least most of you. I was suprised this was a problem, because it was the first RP server were walking wasn't seen as a standard. You seems to put the world you play on higher quality than the quality of the RPing. I have no problem with it, I just find it disturbing that you were placed on bioware like a RP PW, while you hardly are.

[orth]

fredo nature - 6/12/2005  2:23 PM

I don't see what of these are personalities are really reasons to run? I mean an egotiscical adventurer would more likely never run, because he wouldn't mind if he came too late. Also of much of these character could be RPed seriously fulltime.

Just think at how much attention it draws when someone runs through the streets, believe as good as everyone  near looks at that certain person.

But it seemed I have a different oppinion than at least most of you. I was suprised this was a problem, because it was the first RP server were walking wasn't seen as a standard. You seems to put the world you play on higher quality than the quality of the RPing. I have no problem with it, I just find it disturbing that you were placed on bioware like a RP PW, while you hardly are.

Well if the running issue seems to be the be all, end all that describes an RP PW, then what would you categorize Layonara?

Do you think when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli were chasing after the uruks when they reached a town, they stopped and walked slowly right through.

As for this line:

Just think at how much attention it draws when someone runs through the streets, believe as good as everyone  near looks at that certain person.

We live on Earth in the year 2005.

[ZeroVega]

fredo nature - 6/12/2005 2:23 PM

vgn - 6/11/2005 5:46 PM  I have no problem with it, I just find it disturbing that you were placed on bioware like a RP PW, while you hardly are.

  That was harsh and unnecessary. Sorry, but you've been registered for less than two days. Many of the best RPers out there have been here for upwards of two years. I don't think after two days of reading the forum and barely a day with a character approved you should be saying Layonara is "hardly an RP persistant world. Please try it out. Go on some quests. Find Ozy, Plen, Rhizome, Triba, I promise you their RP will blow you away.
    Look at what we have here, and really test it out before you say things like that. Your opinions here will be respected always, however you'll neither make friends nor have as much respect if you pass judgement so quickly.
  Respect, ZV-
  Edit: First Quote is Fredo's second quote is mine, I seem to have messed something up.

[Frendh]

Hlint is a busy town. And there are no taxis, so people
run when they are in a hurry. I believe in a medieval
town there was a lot of running. If a smith sends his
apprentice on an errand, that apprentice won't walk.
So everyone with an errand will either walk fast or
jog. Can't jog on layo and walking fast takes a
haste or some such.

That means for most of the working class walking
is a luxury they can't afford during many hours
of the day. I don't see why walking is a tag
for a roleplay world.

[Wintersheart]

In real life (whatever that is) you would not run from one end of the continent to the other, but neither would you “walk”. Most likely you would march at a reasonably high pace (assuming you are in shape). If you march at say 6 km/h then you are almost as fast as someone jogging at 8 km/h, but you can go on for much longer. In NWN we don’t have the option of marching, but speed wise it would come close to running. So I imagine I am marching and not running.

As for towns, well if I am in a hurry while shopping or just need to get from point a to b, I will happily stomp along the street walking twice as fast as the average person. I am big and since I hate doing grocery shopping I tend to buy a lot, hence if you had lived in my town you could have seen a big guy carrying six grocery packs racing past you. Yes people do look, but it is not in my personality to stroll back to my comfortable cave.

Then we got boats - they arrive instantly. Now should a good roleplayer then take the boat, arrive and log out for a few hours to represent the journey? If you are on a quest run by a DM then you could roleplay the journey (as we have done), but if you are alone gathering crafting resources would it not be pointless?

Convenience, I agree with Zerovega if you gather lots of resources or explore then walking rather than running would mean a big difference in time spent. Convenience comes close to enjoyment and ultimately I play because I enjoy playing.

Finally I don’t think there is one definition on what makes good roleplaying. Different people enjoy different things, but once you have been here a while you should find people playing a style fitting you. Like so many others here I have been playing PnP for many years (longer than some of our players have lived) and I have also taken part in conventions. The roleplaying scene contains lots of smart people and not so few snobs. What we enjoy and what we want all differs, a little less judgement and a bit more tolerance makes it all run much smoother – for both PnP and Layonara.

Remember you can always walk out - I have done so as have many others, it is your choice.

Looking forward to running past you
Rolf

       

[KageKeeper]

I am still kind of surprised over this entire thread to be honest.

Who would have thought there would be such a debate over whether running was acceptable RP or not. Goodness gracious.

Does someone running or walking affect their RP? I say no. Who cares. So some characters want to run and others want to walk.

To each their own.

Sheesh.

Luna.

[twidget658]

Horses.

During the time of Layonara, people rode horses *Thinking back to history class and watching westerns*. Well, I let the cat out of the bag on that one. There goes the whole RPing thing. Can I buy a horse somewhere? I have seen castle personnel on horses.

I have seen Goblins riding wolves. They run. Can I ride my companion? Or, I think I will ride my ox. My feet get very tired. I  hate getting rocks in my boots.

[freemen2]

*looks up...to the sides...then down* Well this thread certainly lives up to it's name :p

[Rayenoir]

I have to agree with those who've said things to the idea that we have two choices, and cannot go any faster than running (or slower than walking) when in the real world that would not be so.  Where's my horse?  Why can't I crawl?

This "hardcore roleplay" posturing is, I believe, merely an exercise in pretentiousness for those who like to put themselves above others.  For the record, if I see anyone in town, then I'll walk.  But if I'm by myself, let's be honest people:  I'm playing a game that has limitations.  I'm intending to have fun.  Walking for the sake of walking is ridiculous when all it does is make me look at the same area I see over and over again for longer, and I wouldn't have to were I playing PnP.

[Dalbarhedi]

One thing I found interesting that some people havent mentioned. . . In real life some people walk MUCH faster than other people, and some people like to plod along and take their time. I have actually found that generally speaking, when I have somewhere specific I am going, I like to get their as quickly as I can. . . and as such, my walking pace is roughly twice as fast as the average person you'd see, say, walking through the mall. I just speed past them, and noone notices. And I have met people whose walking pace is almost half again as fast as mine. . . that I had to really almost jog to keep up with their walking speed. (And no, this was not because the people were tall. . .these two are actually only about 4 foot 8, whereas I'm about 5'5''.

So. . . think of it of relative walking speeds if you much, as I do. Some simple are in more of a hurry to be places than others.

And actually, not to start a flame or anything. . . w / respect to your comment about Layo not being an RP servers. . . I have tried nearly every RP PW on the list, and this one WAY surpasses nearly every other one in the quality of RPing. Role Playing does not mean sitting around chatting about nonsense all day long and never trying to better 'yourself' . . . yes, characters will of course strike up conversations quite often, and such should happen. If you wish to start storytelling, and regale others with tales of your adventures, fine. But what I see so often in other servers is people coming up with things to do that have nothing to do with their characters. For instantce, I was playing on Nordock's, as a Ranger who was looking to improve her skills as an archer, and to do such she needed money for training and bowyering supplies. So she goes on a quest, because someone has offered her a cash reward for an item. And what happens? Someone in the party says "Hey, want to stop and RP a little?" It's like . . . what do you think we were doing? Playing in-character IS RPing, as is having conversations, as well as planning your raid into the orc caverns with your companions, or anything else involving you character acting as if they were a real person.

The spirit of an RP server means playing in character, as he/she/it is in the fantasy world, not attempting to use real-life mechanics. This is a fantasy setting, and for all you know, in this world, people run everywhere. Heck, for all we know, the sky could be neon-orange, and there would be no reason for us to say anything otherwise. In fantasy, pretty much anything goes.

[Dalbarhedi]

Wintersheart - 6/15/2005  5:54 AM

As for towns, well if I am in a hurry while shopping or just need to get from point a to b, I will happily stomp along the street walking twice as fast as the average person. I am big and since I hate doing grocery shopping I tend to buy a lot, hence if you had lived in my town you could have seen a big guy carrying six grocery packs racing past you. Yes people do look, but it is not in my personality to stroll back to my comfortable cave.

Haha, missed that before my post. Guess I'm not reading carefully.

Finally I don’t think there is one definition on what makes good roleplaying. Different people enjoy different things, but once you have been here a while you should find people playing a style fitting you. Like so many others here I have been playing PnP for many years (longer than some of our players have lived) and I have also taken part in conventions. The roleplaying scene contains lots of smart people and not so few snobs. What we enjoy and what we want all differs, a little less judgement and a bit more tolerance makes it all run much smoother – for both PnP and Layonara.

Ah, I suppose I might disagree with you there. . . sort of. At least insofar in that you can at least define what roleplaying involves, but I would also have to say that each individual has varying degrees of aptitude. . . Roleplaying takes a certain amount of talent. Its when people dont even *try* to be in character when they should that I would constitute "bad" roleplaying. I mean, its one thing if you dont have a knack for coming up with a unique manner of speech for you character. . . something else entirely if you have your non-tech fantasy character start talking about calculators and cabs, instead of abacii and wagons.