Dorganath - 10/8/2006 12:59 PM *smiles* I was waiting for my visit from Dorganath. I get called to the principle's office often as the two of us play contrarians. :-) 20th level after 4 months is quite rapid leveling, and as we all know, speaks of power-leveling vs. RPing. What's the difference? The 20th level that takes 15 months to hit that point (about what it took me, incidentally) is more in keeping with the world's spirit than the one who rushes up to 20th in 4 months. There is no harm for someone reaching 20th in 15 months...none at all. That's actually behind the curve in the old expectations, where 20th level in 1 year was the target and the minimum. But then the assumption is that if one attains a level, they've earned that level. This is an eternal pitfall of level-based systems like this; the unfortunate thing is, one does not improve as, say, a wizard by sitting around on benches in some small town. About the only class that would help is a bard, realistically speaking. XP reflects doing, not sitting. XP reflects doing only because we don't get XP for RP here in significant quantities. You admit there are situations where we do give XP for RP, right?GM quests that areRP focused, WLs in recognition of players, to name two.Layonara is denoted as an"RP server." Should an asterick be added that says, "This is an RP serverbut you don't get any XP for doing that; XP is for doing."No, that would be a poor message I suspect. Crafting is an example of getting XP for doing, and potentially RPing, but which does not fit into the overall scheme of a particular class. It would take a lot to level a character through crafting alone. It would in fact just simply take far too long. Is the character being idle? No. Is he/she learning and gaining experience? Absolutely. But being good at tinkering does not make a person a better cleric, for example. XP reflects doing only because we don't get XP for RP here in significant quantities. Should there be a reward for a well-RPed rogue tinker? What about a cleric that doesn't leave town but spreads the word of his god? Why shouldn't we get XP for the "experience" of RPing? The most obvious avenue of abuse here is for someone to log on, park their character somewhere and do nothing for 6 hours a week (wouldn't be too difficult). The second most obvious avenue is someone who goes out and grinds for XP...or even quests for XP...on a regular basis AND gets the freebie. You might have misunderstood me: You do not get a free level based upon PC level, but basedentirely upon number of months. A 15th level PC after four months would only be eligible for a bump to 9th level. The 15th level PC would have to wait six months without a level to catch up. One other thing I'd like to point out.... Quest XP given by GMs is rewarded on a sliding scale depending on one's level for each hour of quest time, and each character level works out to around 40-50 hours of GM-driven quests. A 24-hour requirement per month to be elligible for a free level is about twice as fast as that. I realize numbers can be tuned, but given the minimums suggested, it would become better to not quest and just chat in Hlint than it would be to go out and quest. I would love to quest. This system is for those that can't enjoy the benefits of such. We surely don't want to speed up leveling, in my opinion. I think in the first paragraph you indicate that 20th level after 15 months, which is based upon my originally stated formula of a lever per month, is a fine progression. I'm not sure I understand how that speeds up leveling.
Dorganath - 10/8/2006 12:59 PM each character level works out to around 40-50 hours of GM-driven quests. A 24-hour requirement per month to be elligible for a free level is about twice as fast as that. I realize numbers can be tuned, but given the minimums suggested, We surely don't want to speed up leveling, in my opinion.
Pen N Popper - 10/8/2006 1:43 PMI think in the first paragraph you indicate that 20th level after 15 months, which is based upon my originally stated formula of a lever per month, is a fine progression. I'm not sure I understand how that speeds up leveling.
Pen N Popper - 10/8/2006 12:43 PM QuoteDorganath - 10/8/2006 12:59 PM *smiles* I was waiting for my visit from Dorganath. I get called to the principle's office often as the two of us play contrarians. :-)
Dorganath - 10/8/2006 12:59 PM *smiles* I was waiting for my visit from Dorganath. I get called to the principle's office often as the two of us play contrarians. :-)
Quote The most obvious avenue of abuse here is for someone to log on, park their character somewhere and do nothing for 6 hours a week (wouldn't be too difficult). The second most obvious avenue is someone who goes out and grinds for XP...or even quests for XP...on a regular basis AND gets the freebie. You might have misunderstood me: You do not get a free level based upon PC level, but based entirely upon number of months. A 15th level PC after four months would only be eligible for a bump to 9th level. The 15th level PC would have to wait six months without a level to catch up.
The most obvious avenue of abuse here is for someone to log on, park their character somewhere and do nothing for 6 hours a week (wouldn't be too difficult). The second most obvious avenue is someone who goes out and grinds for XP...or even quests for XP...on a regular basis AND gets the freebie.
QuoteOne other thing I'd like to point out.... Quest XP given by GMs is rewarded on a sliding scale depending on one's level for each hour of quest time, and each character level works out to around 40-50 hours of GM-driven quests. A 24-hour requirement per month to be elligible for a free level is about twice as fast as that. I realize numbers can be tuned, but given the minimums suggested, it would become better to not quest and just chat in Hlint than it would be to go out and quest. I would love to quest. This system is for those that can't enjoy the benefits of such.
One other thing I'd like to point out.... Quest XP given by GMs is rewarded on a sliding scale depending on one's level for each hour of quest time, and each character level works out to around 40-50 hours of GM-driven quests. A 24-hour requirement per month to be elligible for a free level is about twice as fast as that. I realize numbers can be tuned, but given the minimums suggested, it would become better to not quest and just chat in Hlint than it would be to go out and quest.
Pen N Popper - 10/8/2006 5:54 PM Not sure how to respond to the thought that those that go on quests deserve to level faster than the rest of us. I suppose there are those that don't like quests but that's not the feeling I get from reading all the posts asking for more quests or bemoaning the fact they cannot make them. I also suppose that some are able to make enough quests that they feel no XP pressure. Do you think those that make quests would level more slowly than one level per month? No way. The real question is, is there a way to support and encourage those of us that 1) do not make quests, and 2) are not powergamers. Perhaps I'm just a minority here and generally clueless. Don't think so, though.
Pen N Popper - 10/8/2006 6:54 PMDo you think those that make quests would level more slowly than one level per month? No way.