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Quote from: "Teo"&nid="10162476"
no chance at all I'm afraid.
Saw I had this thread for the old forums, but now I have the same problem on the new!
Even thought I have ticked the box in my account settings that I want an email whenever I have a new private message, I am not getting them.
This in contrast to other notification emails for forums I have subscribed to. I do get those kinds of notifications via email.
So something's off, but I don't know what Any ideas?
« on: November 21, 2011, 02:31:37 pm »
Have a good one (or is that had a good one
« on: November 16, 2011, 04:24:09 pm »
Let me rephrase that then. If you want an origin story added to your character's bio, you'll need to post that in the Character Submission forums for review.
Not if it's something uneventful and just who your character's parents were. But if there's curses, souls, rituals, or other extraordinary things involved, you should.
And when in doubt, ask
« on: November 13, 2011, 03:43:48 pm »
Sorry, that's not going to fly.
There's no transferring of souls to weaker bodies and curses that can only be broken by defeating your "original" body in combat.
I assume this is in relation to your already approved character here?
« on: November 06, 2011, 02:15:53 pm »
The only one I ever experienced was while I was fast asleep. I remember the bed shaking and thinking while half awake "Somebody should close the bedroom window because the wind makes my bed shake."
Only the following morning did I hear it was actually a (small) earthquake.
Quote from: Gulnyr
Can you point out what's new, please? Is it just that no one has ever officially stated what has always been done? It just seems like old news to me, I guess.I would say the above has given more clarification about judge, jury and executioner and the ranks needed (if any and if applicable). It also clarified or corrected assumptions people had about previous statements of mine.
So if that means it is "just stating what no one has ever officially stated but what has always been done", so be it
Quote from: milty
but to note, when I used the word in all of my previous posts, I referred to a more broad sense of executing a verdict.Noted
Quote from: milty
[/COLOR]I get the impression from your post that a Rofireinite who is part of the 'capture' process might not consider themselves impartial enough to also act as a judge.Right, they wouldn't think themselves impartial. And if they go and help capture somebody, there could already be an assumption of guilt in their minds at that time. So that wouldn't allow for a fair trial, and could cast a shadow on the innocent-till-proven-guilty principle.
They may even be called as witness, depending on how the capture went.
So yes, blanket statement.
And for the audience reading this, you'll see that in this discussion we've arrived at things that haven't been defined or discussed before.
Quote from: Alatriel
Is there a way that we could have it that a PC could be a judge, but only for NPC cases and not over PC's? We can make an ooc justification that sometimes magistrars are rotated out, or that perhaps a PC simply was not in town, or able to adjudicate something (with the ooc understanding being that it was because it was a PC case).Hmm. While we could, I'm not sure how much fun that'd be as it would mean the only way the PC could act in a judge capacity would be on a CDQ. Or very rarely in a regular quest that ends with a trial in the jurisdiction of that player.
Quote from: milty
When I think "executioner," I think of the one who executes the judgement, whether that be capital punishment or otherwise. The bailiffs who escort the criminal to the jail cell, and the county/state/country/kingdom that pays to keep the criminal locked up all fall under the entity of 'executioner,' as I understand it. That is, the kingdom and its servants are 'executing' the judgement laid out by the jury and/or judge.That's far too board a definition of an executioner. You've then almost included the entire penal system and the people working in it in there. The word executioner is not from executing a task, it's somebody who carries out an execution i.e. a death sentence.
See also Executioner | Define Executioner at Dictionary.com
An executioner is a headsman basically.
Quote from: milty
The reasons I bring forth this semantic difference is that I think there is some confusion as to what it means to be "judge, jury, and executioner," as in my observation I have already seen examples IG of NPC Rofireinites acting as both judge and executionerWhich is why this discussion is good as it will clear things up.
Then on to your scenario, which I think has some flaws, let me explain why.
Quote from: milty
The setting is a remote settlement, say, population of 1000 or so, that is more or less self-governed.Unlikely because we don't really have these. Every town is in a realm so there would be some kind of ruling body that'd have a say about a town. But let's assume this town exists.
A small gang of thieves has been harassing the local populace. A Rofireinite cleric, an adventurer, just happened to be passing through the town when he hears about what the thieves have taken from the settlement. The Rofireinite leads a sting on the gang. The leader of the gang of thieves is caught during the sting. The man is tied up overnight is given a trial the next day. In this trial, there is no jury, as the Rofireinite does not feel enough impartial people can be found to fulfill the role.Several issues here:
1) This town would either have somebody who can act in capacity as judge
2) if they don't, they'd fall under the jurisdiction of a court of a bigger town/city
3) I don't see the need for a trial the next day, the man could be kept in custody until the judge comes along, or he could be taken to the bigger city that has a court
4)The "roving Rofireinite" has no say in whether or not there are enough impartial people
5) The roving Rofireinite should not accept the appointment as judge as he was part of the arrest team and can hardly be called impartial because of that. Even if he is from elsewhere. Somebody who is either victim of a crime or involved in capturing a criminal should not be a judge, as they wouldn't be impartial and therefore the trial wouldn't be fair. (If a High Jucticiar of the Divine Court was robbed and the criminal was captured, that High Justiciar would not be the presiding judge on that case either.)
The accused gang leader asks for a neutral representative and is allowed to choose one from among some other travelers (another adventurer, perhaps).He shouldn't have to chose from just the other travelers. He could ask for proper representation by somebody who knows something about the law. Within reason of course, he can't request somebody from the other side of the world. The laws of the land this scenario would play in would state where representation can be gotten from.
However, damning evidence is brought forth linking the man to several crimes, and the Rofireinite judge fairly sentences the man to three years hard labor in service of the populace from whom he stole, one year for each year he was an acting thief.So, at this point of the argument, the roving Rofireinite would already be out of the picture as judge. So what follows wouldn't happen.
But for the sake of the argument, let's carry on to its conclusion.
This location, however, does not host a government or the wealth necessary to feed, clothe, shelter, and guard a long-term prisoner.I go back to my initial point about this hypothetical location probably not existing. It'd be in some realm somewhere, and if it doesn't have a jail, another town or city would have and the convicted criminal would be taken there.
The town could certainly put somebody away for a couple of days (e.g. put him in chains in a stable, throw him in a waterless well for a few days) or a week for the next guard patrol to come along and take him, or they'd have a militia who could take him to the next town/city that does have a proper jail.
Therefore, the Rofireinite offers and is appointed (approved) by the local populace (say, by vote), to execute the judgement. The Rofireinite has enough wealth to pay for shelter and supplies for himself and the convicted criminal. The Rofireinite guards the convict every day and night, directing the labor performed by the convict for all three years. (As an aside, this time can also be seen as an allowance for the Rofireinite to have the chance to instill her interpretation of Rofirein's values in the convict.)That's one fanatical Rofireinite! But really, the convicted criminal would be escorted to the closest jail, labor camp, or whatnot.
In this scenario, the Rofireinite is both judge and executioner. And, in fact, anytime a Rofireinite temple agrees to have a convict serve out the term of his/her judgement (after trial) in one of the temple's holding cells, then the Rofireinites are acting as the executioner of that judgementLet's use the word executioner as above, the one who executes somebody, i.e. a headsman.
In the example of a convict being held in a cell at a Rofirein temple, the convict is basically in jail, nothing more nothing less. And it's not the Rofireinite judge who convicted him who is holding him.